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dropdprpls10 · 11-19-2004, 01:34 AM

you will never have any problems with bags as long as they are installed right!! =).. heres some info on equipment
http://www.bagginit.com/facts.html

and i know what you mean about dragin and rubbing .. except i did it on purpos!!
my old truck

TheFabShop · 11-19-2004, 11:47 PM

The only problem I don't like about the big reds are how slow they are.

TheFabShop · 11-19-2004, 11:54 PM

The duty cycle makes a big difference if you are running a 155 switch and play with it alot plus the 400 draws 30 amps where a 450 draws 23.I am just saying from what I have run into the 400 gets too hot if you run it for long periods of time.

BaggedC10 · 11-20-2004, 12:59 AM

I understand what your saying. If you like to hit the switches allot and have 16+ gallons of air storage, an engine driven compressor is the only way to go. JMO though.....

Personally, I feel my BIGRed's and 1/2" air line make for the perfect speed. A rise time of under 2-seconds is good enough for me.

TheFabShop · 11-20-2004, 01:13 AM

It all boils down to what the customer wants and your prefference.

**N2TRUX** · 11-20-2004, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFabShop

The only problem I don't like about the big reds are how slow they are.

I don't see how that's an issue. Mine are faster than my fingers. It's very hard to fine tune bag pressure with the Bid Reds speed. I can't imagine why you need anything faster.

My 77 doesn't "pop" up but I wouldn't say it's slow and I'm only running 3/8 line...

TheFabShop · 11-20-2004, 01:39 AM

Most people I do installs for want their system really fast.I run alot of systems with a line drive,3 7gal tanks,1/2 5/8 ported valves with 175 to 200 psi switch.this is the reason I don't run the BigReds plus the cost of them.I wasn't bashing the valves just saying it boils down to your needs.I know of several people running the bigReds right now and they are not very fast.Then again like I said it depends on what my customer wants.

pbmcauliffe · 11-20-2004, 04:05 PM

Another thing that can affect the rise/drop speed is the way the system is controlled. I have done a few systems using the Dakota Digital controller and have noticed they are a bit slower in rising and lowering compared to a system with gauges and switches. I am guessing the reason for this is because the controller is monitoring the pressure on the valves and that info needs to go back and forth to the controller to let it know where the pressure is at.
For people that want to play with the system a lot, I usually run the engine driven compressor and large tanks.

Bryce M · 11-20-2004, 11:58 PM

what bags work for our trucks I know the firestones and slams mentioned in this thread but what about Airlift and Conti Or are the firestones a better choice I want to go with bags I am not going to have any problems with.

One more question how can you go with a unchopped crossmember and If I chopped it when does the steering box hit the ground

TheFabShop · 11-21-2004, 01:01 AM

I have used conti's,stones,& airlifts with no problem out of any.I use conti's the most because I can get them faster but you shouldn't have any problems as long as your bag doesn't touch anything.

Bryce M · 11-21-2004, 01:42 AM

But which bag is It I need from air lift or conti or anybody else

TheFabShop · 11-21-2004, 01:52 AM

I run conti 224.The good thing is conti,stone,airlift,slam all share the same bolt pattern for mounting.

XXL · 11-21-2004, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BaggedC10

2. I've had zero problems w/ my truck but I have only driven it 200-miles since owning it. Assuming the installation is done right, the suspension should provide many years of trouble-free service. Make sure the air springs don't make contact w/ anything, the air line is not prone to chaifing, and all fittings are secure/taped.

I've been using the same 4 bags on my '69 for >5 years. I've popped a couple of the 1/8" gauge lines, but only in the last few months... and my truck can be driven when the front is dumped, so it wasn't bad nursing it home and fixing the broken line. After I get my new cab in place, I'm going to use digital gauges so I won't have to deal with the 1/8" lines any more.

GreyHoundSteve · 11-22-2004, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by XXL

I've been using the same 4 bags on my '69 for >5 years. I've popped a couple of the 1/8" gauge lines, but only in the last few months... and my truck can be driven when the front is dumped, so it wasn't bad nursing it home and fixing the broken line. After I get my new cab in place, I'm going to use digital gauges so I won't have to deal with the 1/8" lines any more.

I just recieved my ART catalogue this weekend and i was wondering about the digital controller..... it seems like a GREAT deal for $399. Looking in the catalogue 2 things came to mind #1 it is very well done and #2 most the stuff is over priced but the digital controller seemed pretty reasonable considering. Am i mistaken in thinking that it acts as both switches and gagues and would be the only peice of equipment aside from the bags, lines, compressor and tank? I would think that if you totaled up all the switches and gauges you would be spending pretty close to the same. Am i missing something here?

**N2TRUX** · 11-22-2004, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GreyHoundSteve

..... Am i mistaken in thinking that it acts as both switches and gagues and would be the only peice of equipment aside from the bags, lines, compressor and tank? I would think that if you totaled up all the switches and gauges you would be spending pretty close to the same. Am i missing something here?

That is an add on unit. You still have to have the valves...

pbmcauliffe · 11-22-2004, 10:49 AM

The RidePro E controller only replaces the switches and gauges to control up/down and raise (to a user programmed level) on start-up, it can also be used via the panel or remotes.
Dakota Digital makes one (twice the price) that has four user presets and a timed bag dump feature, manual up/down, auto mode (continually adjusts bags to desired setting) and a few other features.
There is another piece coming out at the beginning of the year that will have the features of the Dakota Digital one (plus a few more) but will be around the price of the ART piece.

**N2TRUX** · 11-22-2004, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XXL

.....After I get my new cab in place, I'm going to use digital gauges so I won't have to deal with the 1/8" lines any more.

No doubt that this is the way to go. It eliminates on more air line that can cause problems.

On my 77 we monuted the gauge in the ashtray...

jlaird · 11-22-2004, 05:56 PM

N2TRUX,

how do you control the pressure with that gauge?

SCOTI · 11-22-2004, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jlaird

N2TRUX,

how do you control the pressure with that gauge?

It's just a digital gauge. You control the pressure w/remote switches (air in/air out). N2TRUX has his switches mounted to a custom 'box' (for lack of a better term) mounted low & close to the center of his bench seat. It's very cool indeed.

GreyHoundSteve · 11-22-2004, 07:41 PM

Does anyone have a link to a place that sells digital controllers and gauges? I would settle for a link to someone who sells cool switches. Ive gone to GREAT lengths to eliminate the "old school" style knobs and switches and the only toggles ive seen look like they were purchased at a hardware store.

**N2TRUX** · 11-22-2004, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTI

.... his switches mounted to a custom 'box' (for lack of a better term) mounted low & close to the center of his bench seat. .....

Thanks Scoti. Yeah I told the guys at Stoked Out Specialties that I wanted easy access to the switches, and didn't want to cut the dash up so they built this for me....

**N2TRUX** · 11-22-2004, 10:38 PM

And mounted it under the seat...

MrShelley · 11-23-2004, 12:08 AM

That switch mount is very trick indeed! The first time I saw that pic I didn't know what is was, but then I was like "ooooh! cooool!"

ol skool 68 · 11-23-2004, 01:26 PM

another thing you might consider is going with the "big red" valves from air ride. they do cost a little more but they are faster than the ride pro set up which makes it nice for quick changes (pothole prevention) i have had both and am really happy with the way the big red valves have performed. i have a 4 corner setup which allows me to control each corner individually preventing the air from rolling from one side to the other. the bigred valves are easy to install one block has both your inlet and outlet for each corner (4 blocks required for 4 corner) and the make it so you can have each block seperated or combined for a clean simple set up. i run four toggles and 2 dual needle gauges however i am planning on going to a digital setup here in the near future.

on a side note: N2trux thank you for helping me convince my buddy crush into bagging his truck, i have been trying to get him to do it for a couple of years now!! his k5 is being sold this weekend so his truck will soon be receiving the bag treatment!!

Izzy · 11-23-2004, 01:34 PM

I had the ride pro's on my 83 and personally liked them, easier and cleaner install and the speed was plenty for me. I think the fastest valve I would ever run would be a 3/8" SMC/Airlift/GC.

11-19-2004, 01:34 AM	#26
dropdprpls10 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reading PA Posts: 164	you will never have any problems with bags as long as they are installed right!! =).. heres some info on equipment http://www.bagginit.com/facts.html and i know what you mean about dragin and rubbing .. except i did it on purpos!! my old truck __________________ 98% of ALL fords are still on the road today... .... the other 2% made it home!!! where is the best place to park a ford???.. next to a fire station!!!! pictures of my new and old trucks!

11-20-2004, 12:59 AM	#29
BaggedC10 Under construction! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NorCal Posts: 1,065	I understand what your saying. If you like to hit the switches allot and have 16+ gallons of air storage, an engine driven compressor is the only way to go. JMO though..... Personally, I feel my BIGRed's and 1/2" air line make for the perfect speed. A rise time of under 2-seconds is good enough for me. __________________ 2001 Silverado bagged on 22's. Sold

11-23-2004, 12:08 AM	#48
MrShelley Too Many Clubs Club Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 443	That switch mount is very trick indeed! The first time I saw that pic I didn't know what is was, but then I was like "ooooh! cooool!" __________________ How I installed my air bags...

11-23-2004, 01:26 PM	#49
ol skool 68 turnin wrenches Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: my garage Posts: 263	another thing you might consider is going with the "big red" valves from air ride. they do cost a little more but they are faster than the ride pro set up which makes it nice for quick changes (pothole prevention) i have had both and am really happy with the way the big red valves have performed. i have a 4 corner setup which allows me to control each corner individually preventing the air from rolling from one side to the other. the bigred valves are easy to install one block has both your inlet and outlet for each corner (4 blocks required for 4 corner) and the make it so you can have each block seperated or combined for a clean simple set up. i run four toggles and 2 dual needle gauges however i am planning on going to a digital setup here in the near future. on a side note: N2trux thank you for helping me convince my buddy crush into bagging his truck, i have been trying to get him to do it for a couple of years now!! his k5 is being sold this weekend so his truck will soon be receiving the bag treatment!! __________________ "three can keep a secret if two are dead" -unknown hell's angel- D.M.C. -FF- 68 SWB full frame off (project ol skool) 2000 s-10 formally bagged but now my daily driver...

11-19-2004, 11:47 PM	#27
TheFabShop Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 67	The only problem I don't like about the big reds are how slow they are.

11-19-2004, 11:54 PM	#28
TheFabShop Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 67	The duty cycle makes a big difference if you are running a 155 switch and play with it alot plus the 400 draws 30 amps where a 450 draws 23.I am just saying from what I have run into the 400 gets too hot if you run it for long periods of time.

11-20-2004, 01:13 AM	#30
TheFabShop Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 67	It all boils down to what the customer wants and your prefference.

11-20-2004, 01:39 AM	#32
TheFabShop Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 67	Most people I do installs for want their system really fast.I run alot of systems with a line drive,3 7gal tanks,1/2 5/8 ported valves with 175 to 200 psi switch.this is the reason I don't run the BigReds plus the cost of them.I wasn't bashing the valves just saying it boils down to your needs.I know of several people running the bigReds right now and they are not very fast.Then again like I said it depends on what my customer wants.

11-20-2004, 04:05 PM	#33
pbmcauliffe Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bremerton, WA. Posts: 104	Another thing that can affect the rise/drop speed is the way the system is controlled. I have done a few systems using the Dakota Digital controller and have noticed they are a bit slower in rising and lowering compared to a system with gauges and switches. I am guessing the reason for this is because the controller is monitoring the pressure on the valves and that info needs to go back and forth to the controller to let it know where the pressure is at. For people that want to play with the system a lot, I usually run the engine driven compressor and large tanks.

11-20-2004, 11:58 PM	#34
Bryce M Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 72	what bags work for our trucks I know the firestones and slams mentioned in this thread but what about Airlift and Conti Or are the firestones a better choice I want to go with bags I am not going to have any problems with. One more question how can you go with a unchopped crossmember and If I chopped it when does the steering box hit the ground

11-21-2004, 01:01 AM	#35
TheFabShop Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 67	I have used conti's,stones,& airlifts with no problem out of any.I use conti's the most because I can get them faster but you shouldn't have any problems as long as your bag doesn't touch anything.

11-21-2004, 01:42 AM	#36
Bryce M Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 72	But which bag is It I need from air lift or conti or anybody else

11-21-2004, 01:52 AM	#37
TheFabShop Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 67	I run conti 224.The good thing is conti,stone,airlift,slam all share the same bolt pattern for mounting.

11-22-2004, 10:49 AM	#41
pbmcauliffe Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bremerton, WA. Posts: 104	The RidePro E controller only replaces the switches and gauges to control up/down and raise (to a user programmed level) on start-up, it can also be used via the panel or remotes. Dakota Digital makes one (twice the price) that has four user presets and a timed bag dump feature, manual up/down, auto mode (continually adjusts bags to desired setting) and a few other features. There is another piece coming out at the beginning of the year that will have the features of the Dakota Digital one (plus a few more) but will be around the price of the ART piece.



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11-22-2004, 05:56 PM	#43
jlaird Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: johnstown, NY Posts: 2,393	N2TRUX, how do you control the pressure with that gauge?

11-22-2004, 07:41 PM	#45
GreyHoundSteve Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: DFW TX Posts: 769	Does anyone have a link to a place that sells digital controllers and gauges? I would settle for a link to someone who sells cool switches. Ive gone to GREAT lengths to eliminate the "old school" style knobs and switches and the only toggles ive seen look like they were purchased at a hardware store.

11-22-2004, 10:38 PM	#47
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,023	And mounted it under the seat...

11-23-2004, 01:34 PM	#50
Izzy Trucker. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,364	I had the ride pro's on my 83 and personally liked them, easier and cleaner install and the speed was plenty for me. I think the fastest valve I would ever run would be a 3/8" SMC/Airlift/GC.

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