More on EVs from a guy trying to sell them

[Accelo]

I very much enjoy my 1970 C10 with 354HP at the wheels. Cost per mile is sky high. Expensive to build and not the greatest mileage, especially the way I tend to drive it. Wouldn't trade it for an EV. I't just fun.

My EV burns about 3.3 cents of elect for every mile . If I used 20 miles per gal, like many vehicles, my fuel costs would be .66 cents to travel 20 miles.
If only using fuel costs EV's come out on top. There is the higher insurance rate and the tires don't last as long. But the upkeep is less, with no transmission, radiator, water pump, oil changes, engine air filters or exhaust to maintain.

We need a more efficient ICE motor as the best out there right now, it a Toyota at 40% at the motor. Most ICE vehicles are only 20% efficient. EVs, operate around 87% – 91% efficiency – in part due to regenerative braking, which recaptures energy that would otherwise get lost as heat from friction. We need a more efficient ICE motor as the best out there right now, is a Toyota at 40% (at the motor).

I don't care what anyone drives. An EV works for me. In the end one or the other will likely win out because of costs.
Enjoy life.

[MikeB]

Originally Posted by Accelo

I don't care what anyone drives. An EV works for me. In the end one or the other will likely win out because of costs.

It's great if an EV works for you. But they don't work for all of us, as evidenced by sluggish sales.

As for one winning out over the other, there should be room for both in a free country.

[67C10Step]

Originally Posted by MikeB

It's great if an EV works for you. But they don't work for all of us, as evidenced by sluggish sales.

As for one winning out over the other, there should be room for both in a free country.

This is one of the biggest problems I have with not just EV's. Because something works for you and you like it, does not mean it works for me or I like it. Often the message comes with some moral or intellectual superiority connotation that is very off putting. I am not an unwashed idiot for not wanting an EV at this point. Quite the contrary, I have been an engineer for a very long time and there is no economic justification at this point for me.

You know what I would really like? Fast, efficient, and safe mass transit where someone else does the driving while I drink my coffee and read up on business. BUT, that is never going to happen in my area and many others for tons of reasons.

My work commute Wednesday/Thursday was driving to our Kansas City office for meetings and back. No way I could have done that in two days in an EV. For those driving to the same place less than an hour from home every day it would work and that's great.

What I don't like is big brother telling me what I am going to own and why because they have built some false economy with mandates. Technology and market should be what wins over mandates.

[57taskforce]

Originally Posted by 67C10Step

This is one of the biggest problems I have with not just EV's. Because something works for you and you like it, does not mean it works for me or I like it. Often the message comes with some moral or intellectual superiority connotation that is very off putting. I am not an unwashed idiot for not wanting an EV at this point. Quite the contrary, I have been an engineer for a very long time and there is no economic justification at this point for me.

You know what I would really like? Fast, efficient, and safe mass transit where someone else does the driving while I drink my coffee and read up on business. BUT, that is never going to happen in my area and many others for tons of reasons.

My work commute Wednesday/Thursday was driving to our Kansas City office for meetings and back. No way I could have done that in two days in an EV. For those driving to the same place less than an hour from home every day it would work and that's great.

What I don't like is big brother telling me what I am going to own and why because they have built some false economy with mandates. Technology and market should be what wins over mandates.

And yet again I need a damn like button!!!
GM should just keep the Camaro alive and kill the Silverado EV…

[DeadheadNM]

GM to lay off 1,300 workers across two Michigan plants as vehicle production ends

“GM had planned to start production on the Chevrolet Silverado EV and GMC Sierra EV next year at Orion, but GM said that it will "retime the conversion" of Orion Assembly plant to EV truck production and restart the plant in late 2025 instead.”

HERE: https://eu.freep.com/story/money/car...s/71923694007/

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by DeadheadNM

GM to lay off 1,300 workers across two Michigan plants as vehicle production ends

“GM had planned to start production on the Chevrolet Silverado EV and GMC Sierra EV next year at Orion, but GM said that it will "retime the conversion" of Orion Assembly plant to EV truck production and restart the plant in late 2025 instead.”

HERE: https://eu.freep.com/story/money/car...s/71923694007/

I happened to drive by there on Saturday (on my way from Home Depot) and they have already started a huge amount of construction. Almost double the existing footprint, I'd say.

K

[MikeB]

Originally Posted by DeadheadNM

GM to lay off 1,300 workers across two Michigan plants as vehicle production ends

“GM had planned to start production on the Chevrolet Silverado EV and GMC Sierra EV next year at Orion, but GM said that it will "retime the conversion" of Orion Assembly plant to EV truck production and restart the plant in late 2025 instead.”

HERE: https://eu.freep.com/story/money/car...s/71923694007/

This is an interesting comment by a Detroit Free Press reader from the link above:

"No auto manufacturer is making money on EVs without government subsidies or manipulations. GM is all in on EVs even though they lose thousands on each one. The whole auto industry is in for a shock when they finally wake up to the EV debacle. Somehow I feel another taxpayer bailout coming."

Have to add that yesterday I spoke with a sales guy at an Infiniti dealership. My wife's SUV lease is almost up, and he is trying to lease us another one. Anyway, he said he is very concerned about this being the last year of production for their only remaining sedan (Q50), and also announcing that they plan to be all-in on EVs going forward. Again, a comment from a real person who's been selling cars to repeat customers at the same dealership for more than 10 years. So a guy who actually knows what customers want! Have to wonder if Nissan/Infiniti upper management ever even speak to their people who deal face-to-face with customers.

[68bowtie]

This thread needs some pictures.

I just saw this. First time I saw one.

[DeadheadNM]

A proposed bill in the state of Washington would make use of gas powered lawn equipment a criminal offense “by a fine of not more than ten thousand dollars, or by imprisonment in the county jail for up to three hundred sixty-four days, or by both for each separate violation.” If successful, would seem like a coercive tactic to be used against private ownership of any ICE automobile.

The proposed bill is here: https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/bienn...20231211143833

Summarized here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wa...rs/ar-AA1ls7iy

[LT7A]

Originally Posted by DeadheadNM

A proposed bill in the state of Washington would make use of gas powered lawn equipment a criminal offense “by a fine of not more than ten thousand dollars, or by imprisonment in the county jail for up to three hundred sixty-four days, or by both for each separate violation.” If successful, would seem like a coercive tactic to be used against private ownership of any ICE automobile.

The proposed bill is here: https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/bienn...20231211143833

Summarized here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wa...rs/ar-AA1ls7iy

Thanks for the info. Fortunately, there are some mitigating factors - this is a quote:
These bans typically target new gas-powered equipment, permitting people to keep and use tools they already own.

I've had the same mower for over 20 years and already have a backup. Here's to maintaining equipment!

If it makes it into law, I can stockpile as many mowers as I want, for free. People already give them away. There will be tons of them left out by the curb to give away. I will "own" them, before the ban, enough to give to future generations. That proviso makes it nearly unenforceable, but does the huge possible/probable disservice of neighbors looking into other neighbors' business. Which is kinda the intent I guess. Law enforcement is unlikely to stop and check how long you've owned your mower. The law could simply be about what is being sold. If you need a new mower and only electric ones are for sale... That will phase out the gas ones over time.

[MikeB]

Originally Posted by DeadheadNM

A proposed bill in the state of Washington would make use of gas powered lawn equipment a criminal offense “by a fine of not more than ten thousand dollars, or by imprisonment in the county jail for up to three hundred sixty-four days, or by both for each separate violation.” If successful, would seem like a coercive tactic to be used against private ownership of any ICE automobile.

I thought we were safe when 1984 came and went!

[LT7A]

Originally Posted by DeadheadNM View Post
A proposed bill in the state of Washington would make use of gas powered lawn equipment a criminal offense “by a fine of not more than ten thousand dollars, or by imprisonment in the county jail for up to three hundred sixty-four days, or by both for each separate violation.” If successful, would seem like a coercive tactic to be used against private ownership of any ICE automobile.

Originally Posted by MikeB

I thought we were safe when 1984 came and went!

This is still of concern at some level, but as noted previously, it's basically unenforceable since you would be allowed to operate any equipment you owned before the law was passed - gotta read the whole thing. I have a mower I use and a spare. Both given to me by relatives - no sales receipt but I own them. I don't like the trend or idea, but practically speaking, it's an empty threat.

[DeadheadNM]

“CBC News has learned that Ottawa will release final regulations it says will ensure that all new passenger cars sold in Canada by 2035 are zero-emission vehicles, a senior government source said.”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ele...ault-1.7061381

[68bowtie]

My understanding is it’s already signed into law. The dates are just in the future. I could be wrong.

Yeah I bet you’re right that just like smog staying at 1976+, I agree used engines will probably be grandfathered in. So guys like you can refurbish indefinitely.

Sadly though most of us don’t know how and we’ll have to compete for the good condition used vehicles, driving up prices.

[DeadheadNM]

Admitedly I only skimmed the bill but it sets a penalty for use of the equipment - I don't see an exemption. Agree, the CA bill precludes sale of new ICE equipment. The WA bill seems to take that a step further. I hope I am wrong.

[Getter-Done]

Line 15 thru 19

Who filled out a Survey of how much gas is spilled.
Not Me.

How do (They) Figures like that get calculated.
I think it is Fuzzy Math.



Yet the Ozone is still having holes poked in it trying to see what is on the Moon and beyond.

[Boog]

Originally Posted by Getter-Done

Line 15 thru 19

Who filled out a Survey of how much gas is spilled.
Not Me.

How do (They) Figures like that get calculated.
I think it is Fuzzy Math.

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Yet the Ozone is still having holes poked in it trying to see what is on the Moon and beyond.

"they math ain't mathing" as someone in Washington recently said.

[Getter-Done]

Originally Posted by Boog

"they math ain't mathing" as someone in Washington recently said.

Yep Yep

[DeadheadNM]

Yep. This:

[Getter-Done]

Originally Posted by DeadheadNM

Yep. This:

[Sicklajoie]

Funny how the gov't is complaining about spilled fuel when they were the ones that mandated these stupid gas cans that are as useless as a wristwatch on a pig.

[Getter-Done]

Originally Posted by Sicklajoie

Funny how the gov't is complaining about spilled fuel when they were the ones that mandated these stupid gas cans that are as useless as a wristwatch on a pig.

Thank You for mentioning that


I for One do not spill gas (That Percentage).
I am using Funnels or whatever it takes.

That was Instilled in me by Several of my Mentors.

Waste not Want Not.

[Sicklajoie]

Originally Posted by Getter-Done

Thank You for mentioning that


I for One do not spill gas (That Percentage).
I am using Funnels or whatever it takes.

That was Instilled in me by Several of my Mentors.

Waste not Want Not.

Same here, take the whole nozzle off and use a funnel.
I got one of these recently for filling up my generator and it works well.

[DeadheadNM]

Et tu Santa?

[Richard]

Originally Posted by DeadheadNM

Et tu Santa?

Got a laugh out of your post.