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**Boog** · 03-12-2024, 10:36 AM

Your driving habits with insurance companies.

GM is doing it so you can assume others are also.
How do you feel about your driving habits being monitored and shared?
Could it be such sharing goes beyond your insurance company even possibly affecting your credit rating and borrowing power?
Personal freedoms impingement?
How much other personal information is "monitored" and stored, shared or sold without your knowledge or consent?

Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luojkK4_ME0

**truckster** · 03-12-2024, 11:41 AM

There's more than one reason my daily driver is s 72 Blazer.

62c30 · 03-12-2024, 12:29 PM

Ford does it too, at least tracks them. When I start my 2019 f150 it tells me something about location monitoring or something like that. Maybe that's why my insurance renewal went down?

weq92f · 03-12-2024, 01:09 PM

.

I read an article yesterday about this...it is gaining attention. The general consensus seems to be that the consumer is able to disable this tracking, at least in the case of GM as it is part of their "onstar" program or whatever.

There is evidence that the automakers are sharing/selling this data to insurance companies and that those companies have reacted by raising rates. They are certainly not interested in lowering rates though and I am convinced that if they received favorable data for some client, that data would get lost or ignored.

A more concerning data point in my opinion is the cataloging, storing and selling of license plate location data. In this country we have a growing license plate tracking problem and it is being driven by Laws Enforcement. Law Enforcement agencies contract with private business to obtain real time license plate data both from stationary license plate readers and mobile license plate readers attached to their patrol vehicles. This network of data collection stations funnel the data to central repositories where the data is processed in real time to alert various Law Enforcement agencies when a TARGET plate has been located. That TARGET might be a stolen vehicle, a vehicle with expired registration, a vehicle with no insurance or simply a vehicle of interest to Law Enforcement.

This data repository is owned/administered by the private company, not the police. The police pay to access it, thus driving the demand for more and more data on license plate locations. This data, collected as it is and consolidated represents, in my opinion, a massive privacy concern for the citizenship. The founders of our Constitution couldn't have possible foreseen the level of automated data harvesting and consolidation that we are capable of today and so didn't write protections into the Amendments. That is unfortunate indeed.

-klb

Tom · 03-12-2024, 03:25 PM

No, it doesn't.
There are multiple reasons why I won't own a onstar equiped vehicle.

**71CHEVYSHORTBED402** · 03-12-2024, 04:46 PM

With the web we've sold ourselves out to not just big business, but anyone who cares to locate where you live. All one needs is a name, perhaps a city, and they're led right up to your front door. Other than homeless exemptions perhaps, only the wealthy are protected in that instance, to extent, if they have multiple properties.

Once you open a web address, those who want to know begin your profile and capture/load with data. 1984 is an amazing prediction. Even the year is awfully close too, if not dead-on. "ARPANET and the Defense Data Network officially changed to the TCP/IP standard on January 1, 1983, hence the birth of the Internet."

**DeadheadNM** · 03-12-2024, 05:26 PM

The cellular/OnStar system in my 2019 Suburban shares a fuse with the air bags. How underhanded is that? I called and opted out of OnStar etc. a while ago and no longer have an illuminated indicator light (fwiw). I'd rather yank the necessary wires but haven't found a good tutorial to do so. The 5th gen 4Runner crowd is all over this stuff and have tutorials on disabling on board comms while preserving radio and GPS signals.

**Boog** · 03-12-2024, 06:09 PM

Tracking is so common and easy now days. My wife has an app on her phone that allows her to see where anyone in her phone's address book is, whether they are sitting still or moving and how fast they are moving, as long as that person has location or find me enabled. She keeps up with the daughter when she's traveling like in bad weather or through Atlanta! I have cautioned her about using it. And NO, I do not have tracking enabled on my phone, ever. I'm not doing anything wrong but I don't want anyone keeping up with where I am either.
People have willingly given up their right to privacy all in the name of convenience and novelty and those younger ones being born into this age of electronic wizardry know no other way. Life was so much simpler and safer before the techno age we live in now.

**Steeveedee** · 03-12-2024, 06:35 PM

As for a cell phone, if one doesn't want to be tracked, aluminum foil or better yet, an iron box will keep it out of the system. Can't send or receive signals in there. Just take it out when needed.

**special-K** · 03-13-2024, 07:25 AM

Yes, it's an infringement. Definitely an invasion of your privacy.

LT7A · 03-15-2024, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steeveedee

As for a cell phone, if one doesn't want to be tracked, aluminum foil or better yet, an iron box will keep it out of the system. Can't send or receive signals in there. Just take it out when needed.

Tin foil hat for your phone?

Didn't we find you a tin foil beanie just a little while ago?

All kidding aside, I keep location off for my phone, but go ogle is getting more and more invasive. Trying to get me disclose my location or sign in for nearly every search. I abandoned my g mail account because of their constant heckling. And they will probably read this because their search engine will find it. Very few consumer services are for the good of the consumer. Including the internet...

57taskforce · 03-15-2024, 08:10 PM

Good thing the onstar in my SS is no longer compatible with the cell service and now obsolete… the insurance company would really love to see some of that information.

**Steeveedee** · 03-15-2024, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LT7A

Tin foil hat for your phone?

Didn't we find you a tin foil beanie just a little while ago?

All kidding aside, I keep location off for my phone, but go ogle is getting more and more invasive. Trying to get me disclose my location or sign in for nearly every search. I abandoned my g mail account because of their constant heckling. And they will probably read this because their search engine will find it. Very few consumer services are for the good of the consumer. Including the internet...

Wouldn't have been me for any foil accessories.

**68bowtie** · 03-15-2024, 09:54 PM

In addition to the cost of new(er) pickups, this tech garbage is a big reason I may never upgrade from my 2012. It will be paid off in a week. One more payment amd it’s officially mine. Only 130k miles on it, and I only put 5k miles on it per year. I’m set for a long time!

**Steeveedee** · 03-15-2024, 11:13 PM

I'm looking for a pre-computer vehicle, but I can assure everybody, including my insurance company, that my econobox hasn't been involved in any drag racing...lately.

LT7A · 03-22-2024, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steeveedee

Wouldn't have been me for any foil accessories.

That's right, it was Ol Blue K20, right around here:

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...2&postcount=20

I haven't seen anything from Dale in a bit.

**Steeveedee** · 03-22-2024, 03:33 PM

He was busy at his cabin last I heard. That was near the end of January.

**Boog** · 03-23-2024, 06:32 AM

Maybe ol bud got snowed in.

72c20customcamper · 03-23-2024, 09:20 AM

Onstar can be disabled in any vehicle that it’s in . I disabled mine in my Envoy even though the service had long expired.

LT7A · 03-23-2024, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 72c20customcamper

Onstar can be disabled in any vehicle that it’s in . I disabled mine in my Envoy even though the service had long expired.

I've never signed up for the service, but what does it require to actively disable it?

72c20customcamper · 03-23-2024, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LT7A

I've never signed up for the service, but what does it require to actively disable it?

It’s in the software he also disconnected the box I had my local shop guy do it . He does a lot of tuning and software upgrades . He managed to revert my 07 Dodge to its original program after Dodge flashed it without my permission . Truck kept throwing a code p1223 for no reason had everything checked . Dodge said it couldn’t be done but he did it no more code.

Mine was an old onstar new ones may be more complicated

**DeadheadNM** · 03-25-2024, 09:11 AM

My local dealer refused to permanently disconnect the cellular/OnStar system in my 2019 Suburban.

kingsolver72 · 03-25-2024, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boog

Maybe ol bud got snowed in.

I think he is in his corner behaving himself.

**Boog** · 03-25-2024, 12:55 PM

I hope so.

57taskforce · 03-25-2024, 02:24 PM

Looks like GM is backtracking this now…
https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...s/73057931007/

03-12-2024, 10:36 AM	#1
Boog laying low Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Searcy, Ark. USA Posts: 12,957	Automakers share Your driving habits with insurance companies. GM is doing it so you can assume others are also. How do you feel about your driving habits being monitored and shared? Could it be such sharing goes beyond your insurance company even possibly affecting your credit rating and borrowing power? Personal freedoms impingement? How much other personal information is "monitored" and stored, shared or sold without your knowledge or consent? Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luojkK4_ME0 __________________ Boog 69 Chevy stepside, 358/T350, 4.11 posi, 4.5/4 drop, rallys, poboy driver primer is finer 91 Chevy sportside, Tahoe, Yukon & GMC Crewcab All GM..'nuff said. I stand for the flag and kneel at the cross

03-12-2024, 11:41 AM	#2
truckster Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Orem, Utah Posts: 7,798	Re: Automakers share There's more than one reason my daily driver is s 72 Blazer. __________________ I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson

03-12-2024, 12:29 PM	#3
62c30 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Derby Kansas Posts: 358	Re: Automakers share Ford does it too, at least tracks them. When I start my 2019 f150 it tells me something about location monitoring or something like that. Maybe that's why my insurance renewal went down?

03-12-2024, 01:09 PM	#4
weq92f Registered User Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 2,879	Re: Automakers share . I read an article yesterday about this...it is gaining attention. The general consensus seems to be that the consumer is able to disable this tracking, at least in the case of GM as it is part of their "onstar" program or whatever. There is evidence that the automakers are sharing/selling this data to insurance companies and that those companies have reacted by raising rates. They are certainly not interested in lowering rates though and I am convinced that if they received favorable data for some client, that data would get lost or ignored. A more concerning data point in my opinion is the cataloging, storing and selling of license plate location data. In this country we have a growing license plate tracking problem and it is being driven by Laws Enforcement. Law Enforcement agencies contract with private business to obtain real time license plate data both from stationary license plate readers and mobile license plate readers attached to their patrol vehicles. This network of data collection stations funnel the data to central repositories where the data is processed in real time to alert various Law Enforcement agencies when a TARGET plate has been located. That TARGET might be a stolen vehicle, a vehicle with expired registration, a vehicle with no insurance or simply a vehicle of interest to Law Enforcement. This data repository is owned/administered by the private company, not the police. The police pay to access it, thus driving the demand for more and more data on license plate locations. This data, collected as it is and consolidated represents, in my opinion, a massive privacy concern for the citizenship. The founders of our Constitution couldn't have possible foreseen the level of automated data harvesting and consolidation that we are capable of today and so didn't write protections into the Amendments. That is unfortunate indeed. -klb __________________ 67 C10 fleet fuel injected '70 402, 700r4, 3.73 posi 07 335 sport turbo 6sp 94 Trans Am GT LT1 6sp posi -- sold after 22yrs 99 540 sport V8 6sp -- sold 73 240z L24 4sp -- given to friend 68 C10 step 350/350 3.73 open -- sold

03-12-2024, 03:25 PM	#5
Tom driving is in my blood Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 5,692	Re: Automakers share No, it doesn't. There are multiple reasons why I won't own a onstar equiped vehicle. __________________ -78 c10 short/step: 388cid, M20, 5/5 drop, lots more. Playtoy and first vehicle. -98 c1500 x-cab: 5.7L, 17" rims, 5/6 drop, flowmaster, helper bags,NBS rear disk brakes. -02 Suburban 4x4: leveled front -CBR600F4i, CBR600RR, CBR1000RR, and standup skis DISCLAIMER: I cant spell for the life of me.

03-12-2024, 04:46 PM	#6
71CHEVYSHORTBED402 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern Nevada Posts: 7,120	Re: Automakers share With the web we've sold ourselves out to not just big business, but anyone who cares to locate where you live. All one needs is a name, perhaps a city, and they're led right up to your front door. Other than homeless exemptions perhaps, only the wealthy are protected in that instance, to extent, if they have multiple properties. Once you open a web address, those who want to know begin your profile and capture/load with data. 1984 is an amazing prediction. Even the year is awfully close too, if not dead-on. "ARPANET and the Defense Data Network officially changed to the TCP/IP standard on January 1, 1983, hence the birth of the Internet." __________________ Tony 71 Custom Deluxe, SWB, 2WD, 402, A/C. I developed an assm. guide "kit" for restoring it from ground up. With assys, the guide accts for 1000s of OEM identifications and part numbers, all written in short order. 700+ images include assm, illust., charts, and points of interest. Much of the info. applies to all 67-72 GM trucks, and to a lessor degree all 67-72 GM vehicles. My build thread, and more on the guide https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=730025

03-12-2024, 05:26 PM	#7
DeadheadNM Carpe manana Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 12,285	Re: Automakers share The cellular/OnStar system in my 2019 Suburban shares a fuse with the air bags. How underhanded is that? I called and opted out of OnStar etc. a while ago and no longer have an illuminated indicator light (fwiw). I'd rather yank the necessary wires but haven't found a good tutorial to do so. The 5th gen 4Runner crowd is all over this stuff and have tutorials on disabling on board comms while preserving radio and GPS signals. __________________ 1972 K5 CST Highlander Blazer: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=708547 1972 K20 Cheyenne Super: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=528308 Members met: ORANGBLAZ, 2003 silverado, MikeCofield, BB72CHEVKT, Duncan&Son, Sameyrasmea72, THENEWMEXICAN, HotRod C/10, brianthelion02, Sport/Truck, ryanroo, michael bustamante, Dirt's72, Already Gone, WestButteTruck, 57taskforce, Moreyel, painterljp, AASmedic, SoCoC10, Lumaestas, carbuff382, Chevyland

03-12-2024, 06:09 PM	#8
Boog laying low Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Searcy, Ark. USA Posts: 12,957	Re: Automakers share Tracking is so common and easy now days. My wife has an app on her phone that allows her to see where anyone in her phone's address book is, whether they are sitting still or moving and how fast they are moving, as long as that person has location or find me enabled. She keeps up with the daughter when she's traveling like in bad weather or through Atlanta! I have cautioned her about using it. And NO, I do not have tracking enabled on my phone, ever. I'm not doing anything wrong but I don't want anyone keeping up with where I am either. People have willingly given up their right to privacy all in the name of convenience and novelty and those younger ones being born into this age of electronic wizardry know no other way. Life was so much simpler and safer before the techno age we live in now. __________________ Boog 69 Chevy stepside, 358/T350, 4.11 posi, 4.5/4 drop, rallys, poboy driver primer is finer 91 Chevy sportside, Tahoe, Yukon & GMC Crewcab All GM..'nuff said. I stand for the flag and kneel at the cross

03-12-2024, 06:35 PM	#9
Steeveedee Who Changed This? Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 10,092	Re: Automakers share As for a cell phone, if one doesn't want to be tracked, aluminum foil or better yet, an iron box will keep it out of the system. Can't send or receive signals in there. Just take it out when needed. __________________ ~Steven '70 Chevy 3/4T Longhorn CST 402/400/3.56 Custom Camper Simi Valley, CA

03-13-2024, 07:25 AM	#10
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: Automakers share Yes, it's an infringement. Definitely an invasion of your privacy. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

03-15-2024, 08:10 PM	#12
57taskforce All about them K’s Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Farmington, New Mexico Posts: 6,232	Re: Automakers share Good thing the onstar in my SS is no longer compatible with the cell service and now obsolete… the insurance company would really love to see some of that information. Attached Images __________________ Tyler '57 3100 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=813888 '72 K20 Cheyenne http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=662879 ‘69 K10 SWB http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=805206 '98 Silverado LT K2500HD ECLB Vortec 454/4l80E: 6" lift 315/75/16's ‘87 IROC-Z all original 50K mile survivor TPI 305 IROC Blue ‘10 Camaro 2SS/RS Aqua Blue Metallic #93 -version 2.0 Last edited by 57taskforce; 03-15-2024 at 08:16 PM.

03-15-2024, 09:54 PM	#14
68bowtie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Turlock, CA Posts: 8,345	Re: Automakers share In addition to the cost of new(er) pickups, this tech garbage is a big reason I may never upgrade from my 2012. It will be paid off in a week. One more payment amd it’s officially mine. Only 130k miles on it, and I only put 5k miles on it per year. I’m set for a long time! __________________ I live in California, but identify as a Texan "If a job's worth doing, it's worth doing well" Project "Little Sister" (70 c10 blue original paint refresh) Project "C10 Fever" (68 factory black 396 swb) Project "Blue Bomb" (70 c30 blue original paint refresh) Project "Vitamin C" (71 c10 orange original paint refresh)

03-15-2024, 11:13 PM	#15
Steeveedee Who Changed This? Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 10,092	Re: Automakers share I'm looking for a pre-computer vehicle, but I can assure everybody, including my insurance company, that my econobox hasn't been involved in any drag racing...lately. __________________ ~Steven '70 Chevy 3/4T Longhorn CST 402/400/3.56 Custom Camper Simi Valley, CA

03-22-2024, 03:33 PM	#17
Steeveedee Who Changed This? Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 10,092	Re: Automakers share He was busy at his cabin last I heard. That was near the end of January. __________________ ~Steven '70 Chevy 3/4T Longhorn CST 402/400/3.56 Custom Camper Simi Valley, CA

03-23-2024, 06:32 AM	#18
Boog laying low Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Searcy, Ark. USA Posts: 12,957	Re: Automakers share Maybe ol bud got snowed in. __________________ Boog 69 Chevy stepside, 358/T350, 4.11 posi, 4.5/4 drop, rallys, poboy driver primer is finer 91 Chevy sportside, Tahoe, Yukon & GMC Crewcab All GM..'nuff said. I stand for the flag and kneel at the cross



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03-23-2024, 09:20 AM	#19
72c20customcamper Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Catskill Mountains,NY Posts: 8,144	Re: Automakers share Onstar can be disabled in any vehicle that it’s in . I disabled mine in my Envoy even though the service had long expired. __________________ Mark 72 c20 custom camper Husky edition, 66 SS396 Chevelle 1964 Hawk, 63 Avanti,62 lark 1969 AMX , 1968 c20 stepside ,85 K20 1977 Suburban sold 68 anniversary.

03-25-2024, 09:11 AM	#22
DeadheadNM Carpe manana Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 12,285	Re: Automakers share My local dealer refused to permanently disconnect the cellular/OnStar system in my 2019 Suburban. __________________ 1972 K5 CST Highlander Blazer: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=708547 1972 K20 Cheyenne Super: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=528308 Members met: ORANGBLAZ, 2003 silverado, MikeCofield, BB72CHEVKT, Duncan&Son, Sameyrasmea72, THENEWMEXICAN, HotRod C/10, brianthelion02, Sport/Truck, ryanroo, michael bustamante, Dirt's72, Already Gone, WestButteTruck, 57taskforce, Moreyel, painterljp, AASmedic, SoCoC10, Lumaestas, carbuff382, Chevyland

03-25-2024, 12:55 PM	#24
Boog laying low Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Searcy, Ark. USA Posts: 12,957	Re: Automakers share I hope so. __________________ Boog 69 Chevy stepside, 358/T350, 4.11 posi, 4.5/4 drop, rallys, poboy driver primer is finer 91 Chevy sportside, Tahoe, Yukon & GMC Crewcab All GM..'nuff said. I stand for the flag and kneel at the cross

03-25-2024, 02:24 PM	#25
57taskforce All about them K’s Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Farmington, New Mexico Posts: 6,232	Re: Automakers share Looks like GM is backtracking this now… https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...s/73057931007/ __________________ Tyler '57 3100 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=813888 '72 K20 Cheyenne http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=662879 ‘69 K10 SWB http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=805206 '98 Silverado LT K2500HD ECLB Vortec 454/4l80E: 6" lift 315/75/16's ‘87 IROC-Z all original 50K mile survivor TPI 305 IROC Blue ‘10 Camaro 2SS/RS Aqua Blue Metallic #93 -version 2.0

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