Rare!!!!!!!!!

[Longhorn Man]

Originally posted by dtlilly


The 9 footers are rare, but the panels have them beat. There is indeed a 4X4 9 foot stepper, a board member from KY? has one (I think it's a 68, but not sure).

It can't be a GM stock 4X4 though...either a NAPCO or owner fabbed, no one ton 4X4's at all, and all 9 foot step side trucks were one tons.

[BLAZERMAN]

How about a 9ft 1 ton stepside dually? This was for sale on the board a few years ago. The owner claimed it was factory and it was even checked out by a Texas member who said it did not look home built, either factory or dealer conversion its pretty rare in my book.

[Hutch]

Not the rarest but one I would like to see:

A 1968 50th Anniversary short Bed 4x4

That 1968 Dually/Wrecker was for sale in Paradise Texas I beleive.
It was for sale on E-bay and the owner even tried to sell it on this board.
TxGary was the boardmember that took the pics.
It was going pretty cheap If I remember it was like $900
Take special note of the flared steps and the extended fenders.

[Hooter]

my truk as far as I believe (unless someone else has one here) has a factory vanity mirror and glovebox light, and the factory rear sliders seem to be rare too, I took mine out because the rails would keep coming off the windows and the felt was all fubar, the rarest truck I have seen was that 68 shortbox big block three on the tree truck, too bad the cab was so rotten

[1969 GMC]

Originally posted by Rod
Hmmm front lockers....I wonder if you mistook front locking hubs which may have been abbreviated to front lock perhaps. Option F76.

Rod, I think that J.Lance was probably referring to a front axle positraction...I have seen one before on a blazer here on the board, and I jsut remembered that board member Dean might have it in one of his K20's.

[Baradium]

Originally posted by matt_field
4x4 suburban? i know of like 3 or 4 just in my town and they are real factory trucks. rare might be my dads truck, high optioned 402 bb 40,000 mile 71 cheyenne super. all original paint and its like it came out of the show room with every doc. availiable. also the wood bed like isnt missing any paint at all. truck is probably one of the nicest around. never seen rain or snow
matt

Guy I got my tires from on the '70 has a '72 402 BB Cheyenne super 4x4 swb pickup that's mint as well as another one that's about in as good shape.

He's looking to add to his collection too.

[Baradium]

Originally posted by Longhorn Man

It can't be a GM stock 4X4 though...either a NAPCO or owner fabbed, no one ton 4X4's at all, and all 9 foot step side trucks were one tons.

BZZZT

All 9' stepside trucks were 3/4 tons or 1 tons. 9' step was availible on same chassis as the longhorn fleet beds (8.5'). Check the books, I remember seeing the 9' step listed for 3/4 ton on the 133" wb in my '70 resto packet.

But, the 133" wb trucks weren't availible as 4x4 from the factory anyway, so it's a mute point.

[Baradium]

Originally posted by Canadian694x4
Baradium do you have any pics of your panel you could post?

Didn't really think anyone would like to see it, did you catch the part about it being an IH?

I can't get it to let me post the pics on here.

http://groups.msn.com/internationalh...aneltruck.msnw

It's the white one, there are a couple pages worth of pics. Not the prettiest truck, but they are uncommon enough that I remember a few years ago a discussion about whether such a truck even existed on one of the IH lists.

Thanks,
Ryan

[mtdave2]

my vote is for a 1972 1/2 ton 4x4 long box step side.... there was only like 12 of them made.. cant remember now.. but thats freakin rare!

[1969 GMC]

Originally posted by Baradium
Guy I got my tires from on the '70 has a '72 402 BB Cheyenne super 4x4 swb pickup that's mint as well as another one that's about in as good shape.

He's looking to add to his collection too.

Too bad they never made a factory big block 4x4 setup, much to the chagrin of everyone, everywhere.

They also only made 9 foot stepside C/30's, no C/20's.

[Alexis]

Bill of Vintage chevy had a 68 Panel 4x4, i don;t know what happen to it, so........maybe next time i see him at a show I'll ask.

I got a1970 2wd Blazer.........do I feel special, you better fcking believe it

[Baradium]

Originally posted by 1969 GMC


Too bad they never made a factory big block 4x4 setup, much to the chagrin of everyone, everywhere.

They also only made 9 foot stepside C/30's, no C/20's.

Guess I'll have to talk to him then, won't I?

Next time I'm down I quiz him about that truck. He did *say* it was a factory big block 4x4. If it is, shouldn't be too hard to tell from the glove box.

I really coud've sworn that it was listed as availible in the same models as the longhorns. Guess I'll have to go back through my paperwork next time I'm in GA.

[Longhorn Man]

1969 GMC is right, the 9 foot was no installed on anything but one ton trucks.
You may be confusing the 9 foot step with the 8 foot step that could be had on lighter chassis.

[J.Lance]

Originally posted by Rod
Hmmm front lockers....I wonder if you mistook front locking hubs which may have been abbreviated to front lock perhaps. Option F76.

Absolutely no mistake. Can't remeber the code but I believe it was described as a Spicer trak-loc front. No mistaking that for locking hubs.

[Longhorn Man]

Wes is right about the 4X4 panel...I show 8 of them being built.

[Heavy-Chevy]

1967-72 GMC/Chevy trucks were the first "factory" 4x4.NAPCO was the couch workers that made the 50's & 60's 4x4.

So would NAPCO be considered original?

Kinda like Yenko camaro.......

Also did Dodge really make the Daytona them selves?

[JQ-72]

I wonder how many swb Cheyenne Supers there actually are with factory BB, tilt, tach, buckets, am/fm, etc...?? Every time I go to Super Chevy or Pigeon Forge, I see them. Also see several in magazines. It's sometimes easy to spot a truck that has these items added (like a van am/fm or a bucket seat truck with no special bracing under the cab), but the owner will swear that the truck came that way. I have only seen one ligit truck at Super Chevy that was loaded and had the original options list on the glovebox door (NOT a reprinted one). There can't be that many of them out there!!

Joshua

[Baradium]

It was probobly the other one that he said was BB and I'm just confusing his two trucks. I've seen the 4x4 and it is a gorgeous truck. Knowing this guy, he wouldn't stand to add anything to a truck, he's the type of guy that wants all the options, but all original. And he can afford to ensure that it's what he gets (his buisiness has done quite well), he also has an H1 which he parks in front of the tire shope a lot to help attract attention.

-Ryan

[1969 GMC]

Originally posted by J.Lance
Absolutely no mistake. Can't remeber the code but I believe it was described as a Spicer trak-loc front. No mistaking that for locking hubs.

trak-lok is Spicer's trade name for a positraction unit. It has 2 spider gears vs. 4 for the powr-lok, which is also another Spicer posi.

Originally posted by Heavy-Chevy
1967-72 GMC/Chevy trucks were the first "factory" 4x4.NAPCO was the couch workers that made the 50's & 60's 4x4.

actually, 1960 was chevy's first year for their own factory 4 wheel drive design. prior to that, any 4 wheel drives were made by an outside contractor, such as Napco. But, Napco kept converting trucks up into the '70's. Since there were no factory 1 ton 4x4's made at all from 60-76, occasionally you will see a Napco 1 ton from those years. and yes, they are like the yenko cars in that sense.

[Baradium]

Is NAPCO still around?

I know that there are still companies doing aftermarket 4x4 conversions (to vans for example), but don't know any specifics about any of them.

Thanks,
Ryan

[Heavy-Chevy]

In 1970 Chevrolet /NAPCO built a 1-ton 4x4 for Packy Pickrell.

NAPCO is now DANA per NAPCO4x4.com.......

I saw a invader454 1972 GMC , so GMC had 454s!!!

[Hutch]

Napco to me would be considered a conversion due to the non-GM components.
Napco was an outside company supplying the 4x4 conversion for Gm.
In 1957 the conversions were brought inside and installed on the assembly line.
They were still Napco components that were being installed but instead of a conversion process the trucks were built as 4x4's.
The difference is that the cross members were riveted instead of bolted to the frames.
Not much difference but still a conversion.

Pre 1957 when you wanted a 4x4 conversion your dealer would order a kit which would arrive on there dock complete, these kits cost almost a grand back in the days when trucks were only about twice that. They were sold on the premise that when you got your new truck the conversion could be removed and installed on the new one and the other put back to original.
I had a 57 Napco converted truck and one thing that impressed me was that the turning radius was extremely tight.


I think the axles changed to GM components around 1960.

[Canadian694x4]

Originally posted by Baradium


Didn't really think anyone would like to see it, did you catch the part about it being an IH?

Ya I caught the part about it being a IH...Never seen a Panel IH so I was Curious, that's for tha Pics!

Brian

[Baradium]

Originally posted by Hutch

I think the axles changed to GM components around 1960.

Interesting tidbit there....

Timing sounds about right too.



I have a 14 bolt out of a 77 or so 1 ton 4x4 dually for use in my panel truck, 4.10 gears, should give me nice hauling rpms at 65.

Wish I could've gotten the front dana 60 too, but he wanted a whole lot more than I could justify. Looking for an HD 44 front end to go with it, don't know how long that endeavor might take....

Should I be able to fit standard 16" rims on this 14 bolt? I'd like to if I can...

I guess the crew cab trucks aren't really all that rare, all things considered.

Friend of mine insists that he knows someone with a 3/4 ton burb that came with the big 14 bolt (1 ton rear) and the equivalent 33" tires from GM. It also has white oak planking, original. Says it's an ex navy truck that was bought to be I guess a personal vehicle for some big wig in CA. Says it originally was 24 volt but has been converted to standard 12. Sound plausible? Sounds wierd to me, says he is still in regular contact with the owners of this burb. currently someone decided that it'd be fun to cut off the overloads and heat the coils so it sits on the bumpstops... I for one don't know why the father didn't murder his son for doing that to his burb.

He also says he knows people who *used* to have a longhorn with a *steel* deck in it... another ex navy truck...

Seems like if either of these are true, it doesn't get more one of a kind than that...

Thanks,
Ryan

[Baradium]

Originally posted by Canadian694x4


Ya I caught the part about it being a IH...Never seen a Panel IH so I was Curious, that's for tha Pics!

Brian

The grey one is the older body style. That particular one is around a '65.

The white one is mine of course... and it appears to be rare among IH's. I have yet to find anyone who has seen another 69+ panel truck from IH other than this. In fact, on the IH board there was a debate at one point about whether they made any after '68. I'm trying to figure out how to use line set (build sheet) codes to figure out some production numbers. I need to get a fresh copy of mine because the original one I have is half missing and hard to read. I can clearly see a line that says "panel body" so I think that code might be the ticket. Fortunately all IH line set tickets (build sheets) were saved and are availible...
unfortunately IH didn't exactly pay attention to how many panel trucks vs travelalls they produced...

Options that I asume wouldn't be common:
P/S, P/B, HD suspension, 5.7L V8 (labled as 345 of course), (aux seat is listed, but a passenger seat seems to me wouldn't be too uncommon), tinted windows, black interior, white ext, and the best part: air conditioning

Looking forward to getting this rig back on the road. Between the panel and the '70, I don't think I'll even have to wonder how to spend money...

Thanks,
Ryan