Stupid Question about burnouts

[ZombieWeinerDog]

i have a 3 speed manual rear wheel drive. it has disks in the front and drums in the back. will revving it up, dumping the clutch, and holding down the break damage the rear brake? i have enough power to do it, but i am worried about damaging the rear brake drums.

[special-K]

Yeah,why wouldn`t it?Are the brakes all you`re concerned about?

[1970 CST Short Wide]

Think about it. You’re trying to stop your wheels by holding down the brake but they continue to spin because you’re pouring the coals to it. You'll be replacing brake shoes more often at the least not to mention the strain you’re putting on the rest of the brake parts.

[ZombieWeinerDog]

thats what i thought

[bigguy69]

you could buy a line loc to lock the front brakes and it will do better burnouts

[ZombieWeinerDog]

Originally Posted by bigguy69

you could buy a line loc to lock the front brakes and it will do better burnouts

i read about that, how much are they?

[Skirkpat]

Why not buy a P.O.S. truck to tear up, and keep your nicer one for driving like you care about it? or you could just pull it up to a brick wall if you like spinning a tire, it is easier on the brakes?

[stealthy '69]

Or one way to solve the stress on the rear brakes and still enjoy the good times would be a roll control kit(AKA line lock). Plus that would eliminate the hard dump on the clutch to. Since you would only have to control 2 pedals instead of 3. You can just easy it out till it starts to engage, and ta da. SMOKE (hopefully from the tires and not the clutch) Jegs sell a complete kit that's easy to install and use. A friend of mine has this kit on his 600hp LS1 camaro and It hold it very nicely.
http://www.jegs.com/p/JEGS/805233/10002/-1

[stealthy '69]

Originally Posted by bigguy69

you could buy a line loc to lock the front brakes and it will do better burnouts

Damn you beat me to it.

[Skirkpat]

Originally Posted by Skirkpat

Why not buy a P.O.S. truck to tear up, and keep your nicer one for driving like you care about it? or you could just pull it up to a brick wall if you like spinning a tire, it is easier on the brakes?

My God, I have tuned into my father.....I think I see a nose hair...LOL

[GASWAGON]

The other thing to consider is the rear end. If it's a open rear, your just spinning the right rear and gear oil isn't traveling to the axle bearings or side gears. After a period of time damage can occur. A posi is better as both axles are spinning and the carrier is operating the same as driving down the road. I would second the line loc idea and keep the other info in the back of your mind. Breaking stuff is just part of the fun!!

[72chevyk10]

Originally Posted by GASWAGON

Breaking stuff is just part of the fun!!

aint that the truth

[special-K]

Originally Posted by Skirkpat

My God, I have tuned into my father.....I think I see a nose hair...LOL

I see a couple ear hairs where they don`t belong,too.

Heck,why not mount a couple bleach jugs upside down in the bed in front of the tires (tire?) with a release cable so you can make a puddle to smoke out bigtime?

[bmfpeterson]

I had a 94 Chevy with a 5 spd and a 6cylender 4wd in high school. I used to do that drop the clutch and hit the brakes move all the time...........Until the last time! I dropped the clutch and BANG! it didnt go anywhere, and of course it was in front of the school with everybody watching!!!!!! after the BANG i let the clutch out in gear and got out and looked under my truck and the drive shaft was turning but nobody was home!!! so I put it in 4 whl drive and drove home on the front end until the axles started to slide out and my truck looked like a roller skate!!!

But I had fun doing it..... also learned how to rebuild a rear end........

[tim21391]

i did that in the snow in my eclipse and burnt my clutch so i wouldnt try it

[Longhorn Man]

this isn't as detrimental as everyone makes it sound. It is no worse for the brakes than in an automatic doing a burn out.
You'll do more damage to your tires than anything else.
Your described method is all wrong though.
Left foot on clutch to the floor.
Right heal on brake, toe on throttle. Bring the rpms up to about 1500 - 2000, and bring the clutch pedal up. Don't just pop the clutch, that's when parts fly, but bring it up fairly quick. Then move your left foot to the brake while staying in the throttle.
You don't want to mash the brake pedal, you just want to keep enough pressure to keep the truck in place.
Same on the throttle, you don't want to floor it, just keep the RPMs up around 2500 - 3500 once the tires start spinning.

This is all pointless unless you are warming up slicks at the starting line.
If on street tires, you aren't helping much at all. just a quick 10 foot burn out is all you need to knock the gravel out of the tread. (go around the bleach box if on street tires) You will be AMAZED at how quick you'll kill street tires.

Seems no one knows how to do this anymore. When I was in highschool, you weren't considered a car guy untill you could manage this... even in a 4 cylinder S-10, doing this in a stick shift made you OK in car circles.

[69halfton]

longhornman beat me to it.

..what he said, plus dumping the clutch then slamming on the brakes is not only hard on stuff, but it also looks really stupid

ive done a fair number of brake stands in my truck, and the drums dont seem to be wearing too fast, the whole thing that kills brakes is heat, if you dont stand for too long, the brakes wont get too hot, thus saving your brakes (for what its worth).

also, letting the truck just roll forward slowly, helps to keep a very minimal amount of rear brake pressure on, saving brakes, and its easier on your tires.

[oldblue1968chevy]

i just did this today...lol

how longhorn man said it..made some nice black marks in front of the house and gf telling me to stop and hoped id get a ticket lol

[Longhorn Man]

it takes a few times to get it right, but once you do, you'll amaze your friends.
I did it a few weeks ago for the first time in 15 years or so.... and it all came back to me instantly.

[Hottrucks]

Originally Posted by special-K

Heck,why not mount a couple bleach jugs upside down in the bed in front of the tires (tire?) with a release cable so you can make a puddle to smoke out bigtime?

ummm don't you mean add a winshield washer ( with pump) and a squirter to each wheel ............no man in his right mind would ever do something like that...Roflmao..

[special-K]

Itdefinately puts alot of stress on everything from the clutch on through the drivetrain.The brakes would be the least of my concern.They won`t break,just wear faster.That`s why I asked if he was only concerned about his brakes.To me it`s awfully lame to have to put that much effort into doing a burnout,especially in a light in the rear pickup.If you ain`t got the juice you got nothing to show off.It`s like cutting real hard pulling out,finding a patch of loose stones,or a wet spot to make a one legger spin.I`m always impressed,but not in a positive way.It`s called tryin`too hard,IMO.What`s cool is a ride turning both tires effortlessly.
I don`t think it`s the stray hairs on my nose.I elt the same when I was young.
But,as always,that`s me and if that`s what rocks your boat...

[72chevyk10]

Originally Posted by Hottrucks

ummm don't you mean add a winshield washer ( with pump) and a squirter to each wheel ............no man in his right mind would ever do something like that...Roflmao..

THAT WOULD BE AWOSOME!!!!!!!! why havent i thought of this???

[Camper Power]

not only would it be hard on your brakes but also on the clutch. if your worried about brakes then just do donuts. thats what i did until i figured how to tune an engine properly. now i can even spin both tires with an open diff

[texanidiot25]

Honestly, once you brake the tire(s) loose, there is less load on the drive train then there is when your accelerating.

When the tires loose traction, there is a ton less friction between the road and tire, hense why skidding and spinning tires is not the fastest way to stop and start. Once you initiate the burn out, you have less load on the drivetrain than you would accelerating with full traction. Also why car's tend to break parts on a launch, not the burn out.

This is why you can hit third gear at say, 25mph instead of 70mph, or what have you. With the lack of traction, thus less resistance to the drivetrain, everything can spin faster, easier, and thus, burn rubber.

The most stressful part is breaking traction, but if you get good, this takes nothing.

YouTube - CST10 Burnouts

The Fastest thing to wear is tires. The next is brakes. Watch your RPMs and don't get too excited, letting them climb too high.

And I loved the posi burnouts my truck used to pull when I 1st started driving it. Nothing like holding a 4500 lbs truck at a 20 degree angle for 100 feet.... Sadly I can't ever get it to do a posi one much That, and don't care to tear up the new tires much.

[Skirkpat]

Originally Posted by special-K

Itdefinately puts alot of stress on everything from the clutch on through the drivetrain.The brakes would be the least of my concern.They won`t break,just wear faster.That`s why I asked if he was only concerned about his brakes.To me it`s awfully lame to have to put that much effort into doing a burnout,especially in a light in the rear pickup.If you ain`t got the juice you got nothing to show off.It`s like cutting real hard pulling out,finding a patch of loose stones,or a wet spot to make a one legger spin.I`m always impressed,but not in a positive way.It`s called tryin`too hard,IMO.What`s cool is a ride turning both tires effortlessly.
I don`t think it`s the stray hairs on my nose.I elt the same when I was young.
But,as always,that`s me and if that`s what rocks your boat...

I agree...the last car I had with the heart to spin them was a 2003 Cobra Convertible...I guess with an Eaton Blower you only look for the brakes at the end of the burnout