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Project "lighten it up" including Scott's IFS install
Well decided to do some major changes to the drag truck this year including a IFS with coil overs, someone had asked about a WIP in another thread when I finally got around to doing it.
I've never done a WIP thread before and not sure how much detail I'll be going into, or how many pic I'll take along the way as I usually don't stop working to clean my hands and take pics as I work alone and when I'm in the zone I don't stop LOL. That being said I have limited time so not sure how fast I'll get it all done, I'm already way behind on what I wanted to have done thus far, but problems with my IFS order have delayed getting all of it, and I did not want to start the front end until I had ALL the pieces in hand. Well I still don't have all the parts for it but could not wait any longer as our race season starts May 9th. I'll start with the list of changes I'm making. Scott's bolt in IFS with Mustang II spindles, Afco coil overs, manual rack, Wilwood brakes. Ididit Universal tilt steering column Changing from 5on5 to 5on4.75 with a new set of Billet Specialties rims. Going to a Hoosier drag tire up front from a M/T Sportsman, and going to a larger full Hoosier 32x14 slick in the back from M/T ET Streets 31x16.5's (tread measures 12.2" Vs new ones at 14" wide) Changing out the Wilwood rear brakes with park brake to a Wilwood drag brake with no park brake. (old brakes had a bit larger rotor and would not fit new rims) Going from a Edelbrock aluminum water pump with Moroso electric drive and march pulley setup with full size alt to a Moroso electric pump, and mini Denso. Adding a Moroso 4 vane vacuum pump, and going from cast to aluminum sheet metal valve covers. New setup with vac pump won't clear my aluminum shroud with dual puller fans, so loosing the shroud and going to dual BeCool pusher fans with BeCool mounts. Adding a couple gauges to the setup, and that about covers it. Here are some before pictures of how it looked prior to starting. |
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And no pics of unbolting the front end as that's pretty straight forward, remove headers, support motor (I'm doing it without pulling it) unbolt front end, disconnect brake lines and lower it down onto blocks and pull it out. Was able to do it all on my own without help.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps1zhz9ybs.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psp7s3iy8s.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psrfxdpzeb.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psryc6d0bw.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps8wo0a2ix.jpg |
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Today I removed the park brake assembly and all the cables, plus removed my old steering column.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psug6ry7fn.jpg Picture of the new rear brakes and rims, install was real simple as I was already set up with Wilwood brakes to the lines fit right up to the new kit, and my axels were ordered dual drilled when I got them, so just had to pull the axels and move the studs, I run 5/8" drag studs so had to have the holes in my hats opened up to 11/16" to fit. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps0s1fzuci.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psv8bslogc.jpg Set one of the front rims in place to see how they look http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...pshrs0exsb.jpg |
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New IFS, no shocks yet and arms are the wrong ones and no motor mounts, but Justin at Scott's is working on making it right.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...pszwla6aof.jpg New water pump setup http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...pslrptwhpg.jpg Front rims http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psbyddbgnw.jpg That's about where I am right now, have to get a tooth pulled tomorrow so not sure if I'll get any work done on it or not, but plan was to clean up and paint the front frame rails, and change my oil pan gasket as it has a small leak, engine has to be sealed good for the vac pump. After that is done next step is start bolting the front end in. |
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Very nice . Looking forward to the outcome
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Those wheels look perfect for that truck.... looks like alot of weight being shed off the front also.... wish i had the funds to get back on mine..
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Thanks Hotrod, I've been watching your new build thread also, guess I should take some time to post as well as lurk. :lol:
Yes I like how the rims look, they go good with the trim, I debated going with the full polished but glad I went with the black. These are the other front runners I was looking at but only came in 3.5" wide and I wanted 4". http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psvef5slle.jpg Well all I got done today was oil pan off, cleaned, and decided to give it a fresh coat of paint. And installed a set of ARP studs I bought for the pan to make the install easier, got some major sticker shock on that purchase. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psdzrmo2o3.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps6iw4q7ur.jpg |
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Oil pan back in, I really should pull those inner fenders and get the old undercoat removed, maybe a project for next year I guess.
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Well got the crossmember installed, had to cut my inner fenders for the shock towers and will have to modify the motor mounts to clear my headers, if I can even use these headers. Not sure if I'm going to be able to route my steering shaft to the rack with them, have zero room, will have to see if I can go through the frame some how.
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Very nice setup if you're willing to sell those cpp upper control arms I might be interested in them for my project.
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I'll selling the whole front cross member as one, it will have to be a local pick it up type deal. Even just the arms shipped to you from me wouldn't be worth the cost of shipping.
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nice looking truck
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Ive disliked black wheels in the past, but I Love those on your truck!
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Maybe I missed it, but what was the "before" weight?
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Not *too* bad for a BBC LWB. My LWB with the LS, turbo setup, 80E, and air ride was right around the same...3950.
I figured building the blazer with coilovers and tubular suspension all the way around (no limit IFS and porterbuilt rear) that i'd lose a few lbs, since a blazer is a ton shorter than a LWB. Much to my surprise, it tipped the scales at 4200. lol. I added a ton of inner frame bracing, and boxed the frame to stiffen it up so it could turn corners also. Oh well. Just gotta turn up the boost :) |
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Roll bar does nothing to help weight want so ever LOL.
I had hoped to get it down to 3800 with these changes, but don't think it will happen, maybe 3850. |
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I know it...I still am planning to cage mine sooner than later, and put a full interior and stereo in. Ugh. #landbargeracing. lol
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Looks great!
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Looks good. Why not lose the inner fender wells all together?
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Likely going to get my roll bar finished into a cage this fall and will tie it into the front end, once my regs are mounted on the bars I will likely try no inner fenders then. |
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Anyway haven't got too much done on the truck, spent time waiting for my shocks, motor mounts and the correct A-arms, only find out the mounts won't work (would raise the engine about 2" the way they came), one of my upper a-arms was sent to someone else and I got his, and steering knuckle was wrong.
Waited another 2 weeks to get my a-arm and send wrong one back, also was to be sent a set of motor mount tabs so I could relocate them, got the arm (had to pay import fees on a part that I already bought and paid for) got the steering knuckle and no motor mount tabs!!!!!! So couldn't wait any longer for a set to be sent, so bought some steel and made a set, some nice water jet cut pieces would have been nicer but this week and a half shipping at a time is driving me nuts especially when it's someone else's error, plus good chance my future mill I'm planning will will use motor plates anyway, going at least 1100hp on motor. END RANT/ Some observations. If you are running a BBC and hooker super comps for that truck, steering shaft is a NIGHTMARE, I had to order a double joint for off the rack and still not sure if that will work or not, had to cut a hole in one of the inner frame supports to clear a header tube and try to ruin the shaft through, took a corner off the other for the header. I'm having a set of custom headers and exhaust built, but can't get in in until the fall so need to somehow get my steering shaft to work for this race season, through the upper frame rail will be a must for sure. Next, my future mill was going to be a 632, but don't think I can get a pan that will clear the rack and work with that stroke, most of the real deep pans are 5" at the front, so would have to raise the engine but no room in the tunnel for the trans, and then would have valve cover issues, unless I modded the firewall and have no intensions of hacking into that. So will be going with a 582 (thought about a 498 but don't care for how far the piston skirt comes out the bore), will run a SR-20 head package so 1100hp will be a breeze anyway with a 482. Here are the modded inner frame supports and motor mount tabs http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...pskw0folcu.jpg Here is the relocated tabs to show how much I dropped them. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psg7q4yisc.jpg Did get my brake lines bent. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psgq8e7i0v.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...pshbnomxrd.jpg New Ididit column installed http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps07867b01.jpg Did a quick mock up of the front end parts and shocks. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps7e856195.jpg The maze of header tubes I have to get a steering shaft through. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psb1bc4006.jpg And that's about it for now, did some rewiring on my starter and a few other time consuming things that aren't really picture worthy. Will get the mounts in tomorrow and the headers on, also will start finish mounting the arms, shocks, hubs and front brakes. I'm running out of time before opening day at the track, first race was pushed from the 9th to the 23rd this month but even with the extra time doubt I'll have it ready by then, my time to spend on the truck is limited and have lots of stuff that needs to be done once the motor is bolted back down (right now being held up by my engine lift) and its off the jack stands. |
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Wow I need to proof read before I hit post, I meant a 598 BBC and likely go with a 582 to prevent piston skirt problems with a short deck.
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Look through pics of my steering and see if the headers I was running might work for you. They are super comps for a g body. I am not going to run them anymore. I am gonna build a custom set when my junk gets out of prison. Come to think of it my motor is back a little so it may or may not help.
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I tried a set of hooker super comps 2202's and wouldn't fit, not saying that's what you have just mentioning it for people that are looking for a larger 2 - 1/8 header for their truck.
I'm going with a built stainless steel 2 - 1/4 stepped to 2 - 3/8 and a custom built dual 4" aluminum exhaust. |
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Wow! Killer truck.
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Great updates , just got caught up . Coming along nicely
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Well put the rest of the front end together today and installed the hubs and brakes.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps84e44cf2.jpg Did a quick rim fit to check calliper clearance http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps2bac3592.jpg Quick dreamer picture pretending it was all finished LOL. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps809b2d10.jpg swapped out my puller fans and shroud and installed pushers to make room for the vac pump. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps6e9643d7.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps4844c45c.jpg Installed the new water pump, alt and vac pump plus drive pulleys on the crank. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps79216fb0.jpg Tomorrow have to get supplies and play the match the proper belt length game. To be continued............. |
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That looks AWESOME!!
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Lookin sweet!
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Nice build truck is looking good. Wheels and tire combo look great.What's your current motor specs. Also what size are headers in picture. I just tried a set of Hooker 2 1/8 " x 3 1/2" # 2265 Chevelle headers on my truck and couldn't get them to work. Bought them for the Dyno and thought I would try to see if they fit with a few changes. I have the 2" Chevelle headers on now so thought I'd try them.
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Current motor is a solid roller 489, here is a link to specific specs, minus now I'm running a Pro Systems 1000cfm 4150 on it. http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=184269 I'm using a set of Hooker Super Comps #2841 they are for the year of truck but only have a 2" primary on them. I think a custom set is going to be the way to go to get anything bigger that fits. |
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Got my steering mocked up with some wooden dowel, have to build a bearing support bracket to be able to tell if it is going to work smooth or not. (crosses fingers)
Also got a set of belts for the alt and vac pump figured out and the AN fittings I need ordered. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...pse5e51317.jpg |
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Well been busy at work and waiting on a machine shop to make me a part for my steering so haven't got too much more done on the project , but most everything that is going on is on minus a 4L of coolant and oil, but there are a few things to come off yet and had some stuff in the cab, cover was on. So anyway to the point decided weight wise would be a wash and within 5-10lbs of final so took it off the stands to check ride height and threw it on the scales.
was VERY happy to see it shed more weight then I thought, started at 3955 total and now............ http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psfd258c77.jpg Took 239lbs off it, too bad this fall finishing off my cage will add back on, but will be loosing a heavy exhaust for a custom aluminum one to help out a bit. . |
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Thats a good bit of weight for sure .
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I had plans of an aluminum block for my next motor build, but don't think I'm going to bother, would love to save even more weight off the front end, but just don't want the quirks that come with it.
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The truck looks really good. It looks like the wheelbase has grown like mine has about an inch. In other words they built it to position the tires correctly in the fenderwheels. I really like those wheels too! I never have seen any of the modern wheels that I would even consider using but those are sharp. On another note dont be scared of an aluminium block. I love my Brodix block although it took me awhile to get the power level back it is worth it. They are almost infinitly repairable.
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The truck looks great! Can i ask Why you decide on using the Scotts crossmember?
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Do you have any real problems or hassel with this, what kind of power loss did you end up with? I'd like to make at least 1100hp with 582 cubes and a SR20 head package. Quote:
If it is also the route you decide to take my one piece of advice is to ask for and deal with Justin on your order. |
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