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Pumkin Truck · 07-31-2002, 03:27 PM

MY pressure hose to my power steering on my six banger has a slow leak where the frame and the hose meet. I went to the parts store to get a new hose and they asked me if it is integrated or not. I said that I have no idea, I asked them and they are just as dumb as me. (that was 4 parts stores that had no clue..go figure.) Anyways what is "integrated" is my hose integrated? thanks

bigvinnie · 07-31-2002, 03:49 PM

not sure if this is what you mean, but I remember this question when I had a six... it has to do with whether or not the intake/exhaust manifolds are integral or not... really has nothing to do with much, but I remember getting asked this when I went to buy parts that had nothing to do with intake exhaust problems...

apparently there was a change to this style of int/exh setup in the early 70s(?).... I don't think it really matters, but you could pull the hose and take it in for match up just to be sure....

I think the books must list parts based on "integrated" status, never did figure out why, but in your case it shouldn't matter...

JJR · 07-31-2002, 03:52 PM

Integrated refers to the cyclinder head. Starting in 1975 250's came with an integrated head (a portion of the exhaust manifold is cast in the head). Unless you have a later model engine you probably don't have an integrated head.

Pumkin Truck · 07-31-2002, 04:48 PM

I see now, my truck is a 69 but the motor is a 68, therefore, my head is not "integrated" with the intake, and my exhaust/intake are not "integrated with one another. thanks all

Denny · 07-31-2002, 05:51 PM

The integral system is the one that has two hoses going from the steering pump to the gearbox. LMC lists it that way in their catalog.

wxman1 · 07-31-2002, 06:59 PM

This fellow that ask if it was "integrated" may have actually
be asking whether it was "integral". I quote the Chevy Truck
Shop Manual page 9-13 under Power Steering:

"General Description

Truck power steering installations are divided into two categories;
the Conventional Linkage System and the Integral Gear System.
With both systems, hydraulic pressure is provided by an engine
driven vane type pump.

With the Conventional System (40-60 Series), hydraulic pressure
is delivered from the pump, through two hoses to a control valve
which senses the power requirement and supplies the needed
hydraulic pressure through two additional hoses to the power
cylinder. The control valve is a rotary type valve which is mounted
directly to the steering gear assembly so that the steering shaft,
valve, wormshaft and rack-piston nut are in line.

With the Integral System (10-30 Series), hydraulic pressure is
delivered from the pump, through two hoses to the steering gear.
In the integral power steering gear, the steering shaft, hydraulic
valve, worm and rack-piston are all in line and within a single housing, making a compact space-saving assembly. With this
system there is no need for a separately mounted control valve
or power cylinder."

I assume from the above that all C10 P/U have the "integral system".

Jim M.

Hooter · 08-01-2002, 01:38 AM

I think the first system described is the one with the hydrolic boom attached to the steering system

07-31-2002, 03:27 PM	#1
Pumkin Truck Thats just prime! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: TEXAS Posts: 720	Integrated? MY pressure hose to my power steering on my six banger has a slow leak where the frame and the hose meet. I went to the parts store to get a new hose and they asked me if it is integrated or not. I said that I have no idea, I asked them and they are just as dumb as me. (that was 4 parts stores that had no clue..go figure.) Anyways what is "integrated" is my hose integrated? thanks __________________ 69 GMC short bed stepside with a wimpy six that can barely pull itself. 99 Chevrolet Camaro Z-28 1 Bad 5.7ltr LS1

07-31-2002, 03:49 PM	#2
bigvinnie Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: escondido, ca 92026 Posts: 1,222	not sure if this is what you mean, but I remember this question when I had a six... it has to do with whether or not the intake/exhaust manifolds are integral or not... really has nothing to do with much, but I remember getting asked this when I went to buy parts that had nothing to do with intake exhaust problems... apparently there was a change to this style of int/exh setup in the early 70s(?).... I don't think it really matters, but you could pull the hose and take it in for match up just to be sure.... I think the books must list parts based on "integrated" status, never did figure out why, but in your case it shouldn't matter... __________________ '72 short step, 350, 700R4, tilt, ps, pdb, a/c, lowered coils, etc., other work in progress... San Diego, CA 72 Stepside Project

07-31-2002, 03:52 PM	#3
JJR Registered User Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Leesburg, GA Posts: 746	Integrated refers to the cyclinder head. Starting in 1975 250's came with an integrated head (a portion of the exhaust manifold is cast in the head). Unless you have a later model engine you probably don't have an integrated head. __________________ FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE DRUM BRAKE CLUB Second Owner 70 C-10 Second Owner 93 GMC C1500 Third Owner 99 C2500 Crew Cab Short Bed

07-31-2002, 04:48 PM	#4
Pumkin Truck Thats just prime! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: TEXAS Posts: 720	I see now, my truck is a 69 but the motor is a 68, therefore, my head is not "integrated" with the intake, and my exhaust/intake are not "integrated with one another. thanks all __________________ 69 GMC short bed stepside with a wimpy six that can barely pull itself. 99 Chevrolet Camaro Z-28 1 Bad 5.7ltr LS1

07-31-2002, 05:51 PM	#5
Denny Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cedar Hill, MO Posts: 426	The integral system is the one that has two hoses going from the steering pump to the gearbox. LMC lists it that way in their catalog. __________________ 1969 Chevy C10. Dakota Digital Gauges, 383 Votex Engine, MSD 8361 Distributor, MSD 6A Unit, Demon Carb, Phoenix Transmission 4L80E trans, 3:73 Posi Rear End Early Classics 6 Lug Disc Brakes and Spindles All Stainless Lines Last edited by Denny; 08-01-2002 at 07:03 PM.

07-31-2002, 06:59 PM	#6
wxman1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: mt juliet, tennessee, usa Posts: 237	This fellow that ask if it was "integrated" may have actually be asking whether it was "integral". I quote the Chevy Truck Shop Manual page 9-13 under Power Steering: "General Description Truck power steering installations are divided into two categories; the Conventional Linkage System and the Integral Gear System. With both systems, hydraulic pressure is provided by an engine driven vane type pump. With the Conventional System (40-60 Series), hydraulic pressure is delivered from the pump, through two hoses to a control valve which senses the power requirement and supplies the needed hydraulic pressure through two additional hoses to the power cylinder. The control valve is a rotary type valve which is mounted directly to the steering gear assembly so that the steering shaft, valve, wormshaft and rack-piston nut are in line. With the Integral System (10-30 Series), hydraulic pressure is delivered from the pump, through two hoses to the steering gear. In the integral power steering gear, the steering shaft, hydraulic valve, worm and rack-piston are all in line and within a single housing, making a compact space-saving assembly. With this system there is no need for a separately mounted control valve or power cylinder." I assume from the above that all C10 P/U have the "integral system". Jim M.

08-01-2002, 01:38 AM	#7
Hooter My other Love Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Castlegar B.C. Canada Posts: 4,078	I think the first system described is the one with the hydrolic boom attached to the steering system __________________ MEMBER DISCS UP FRONT CLUB 69 custom camper/cst 10 70 monte carlo 383 stroker with a 700r4 77 fully loaded silverado (back in the backyard for a little while longer) 1980 BMW 320i (back in the garage finally) 1981 f@*d f150 4x4 (Robert red ford) tried to kill me 1972 Honda ct 90 trailbike Castlegar B.C.The great white North (Canada Eh!) Hooter_5@hotmail.com AC/DC RULES!!! First generation Monte Carlo club pictures of my life



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