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johnnyp · 06-04-2002, 09:58 AM

This will probably get moved to General Discussion but I'm posting it here because it affects the 67-72 board.

What's with all the moving of posts? On the first page alone 7 posts have been moved from the 67-72 board to other boards. I can see moving posts if they have nothing to do with 67-72 model trucks (like do you wear boxers or briefs). But why move it just because it happens to be about paint, or suspension?

I'm only interested in things that affect my model of truck. I don't want to have to search 5 different boards to find the info. And how do you decide when to move a post? If all the post about engines are move to the "ENGINE" board, we'd have a hard time telling what year's were talking about - 47-55?, 55-59?, 60-66?, or 67-72.

Hey, it's not my board and you can manage it anyway you like, but my vote is to lump the boards by model years, not subject matter.

RodC · 06-04-2002, 10:04 AM

Yep, a starter could fall on your face from any year. Most of these polls affect many years.

This type of stuff is tough to call because a carb problem on an 72 can be the same as on a 73?!

Its gona get ugly.....

tom hand · 06-04-2002, 10:22 AM

I agree there is too much moving going on. And with no real logic to it ethier. There are many posts that belong in General, if you want to get picky, but are left alone forever. Then there are post that get moved instantly. I like the idea of by the year and get rid of all the other stuff. If you put a post about a motor on Engine&Drivetrain it could be days before anybody responds,but if you put it on the message board the repounse will be almost instant. My 2 cents.

junkyardjohn · 06-04-2002, 10:55 AM

99% OF THE POSTS ARE MOVED BY THE SAME ADMINISTATOR, WHILE SOME PEOPLES POST ARE LEFT STRICKTLY ALONE.

WHATS UP WITH THAT ??????

Brad · 06-04-2002, 01:06 PM

Seems to me the logic in making the move makes sense; it's like filing-for some people it's easy, for others it'll never make sense.

I think the way it's done keeps the board more organized. Keep up the good work.

**68SWB4x4** · 06-04-2002, 01:44 PM

its to try to make it so people actually do use those boards, if i move a topic like that i ussaly will wait tell the question has been answered, if its something someone needs to know NOW
ive been to alot of other boards that have a engine, suspension, etc..... board and they are used approritly and it works great, makes less clutter on the main board
i dont see why you think this would get ugly though, your just making suggestions

johnnyp · 06-04-2002, 02:39 PM

I didn't mean ugly as in starting a fight. I meant ugly as in trying to decide which post goes to what boards. For instance, if a post talks about painting an engine, where would it go - engines or paint?

**68SWB4x4** · 06-04-2002, 02:59 PM

ok, lol thats a good point,
anthor thing i think we should do is move all the other forums to the top, and have 67-72 message and 67-72 parts below them, than all the other year boards that no one hardly uses at the bottom, i think that would help things out

Maximum Overdrive · 06-04-2002, 03:31 PM

Well most posts about engines do not say what year the engine itself is anyway so that point is moot. As for painting an engine and determining what board it goes to only takes some comman sense. The question of painting an engine has nothing to do with the engine except that it is the item being painted, but is actually asking what type or kind of paint to use in that application. So the question is actually about paint and not the engine.

**COBALT** · 06-04-2002, 03:46 PM

These are all good points so far, but I would like to remind you to look at this from the administrator's point of view (Josh, Mongo, 68 Stepside, etc....).

Lets say we just made categories like we have now:

Paint and Body
Engine
Suspension
Driveline
...etc...

...and we put the years UNDER those, so there was a 47-55, 55-59, 60-66, 67-72, etc. under EACH category. Well, that would be ok for us members, but an administrative nightmare for the admins. 1/2 of the members on the board would have to volunteer to do some moderating on some of the categories. It would also be way harder to post because you'd have to navigate around all the time. There would be WAY too many directories to monitor.

We can't very well leave things alone either, because the instinct of about 90% of the members is to jump right to the Message Board, and post whatever they want regardless of category. I'm sure Josh and others have statistics that show the amount of lazy posting by us has overwhelmed the number of archived posts in the Message Board directory, while others go unvisited. They're obviously trying to get people to post where things should be posted, but the topics that sort of fit between topics are hard to judge on, so I guess it depends on the individual Admin's judgement. I bet they're also trying to divide the workload so that 1 or 2 admins aren't trying to moderate 1000 posts, while others only have 10 or 20 to look at. It's a vicious circle. We don't visit the other categories because no one posts there, yet no one posts there because no one visits them.

I for one think they're doing exactly what they should be doing. There are a couple of categories they could create to make the distinction easier to make (like "Carburetors", "Transmissions", "Differentials", "Welding" and "Electrical") but that's just my opinion.

Spoof · 06-04-2002, 04:39 PM

I don't think it will be a prob when people get used to the idea. It was different years ago when posts were a lot fewer but now organisation is a must to keep the clutter down. In fact there should be a board for questions asked over 100 times per year, eg. how do I remove the ignition bezel?, how do I drop my leaf suspension?, HEI conversion question, or my favourite, Starter problem...HELP! lol
Leave the Admins to do what they think best is my opinion.

tom hand · 06-04-2002, 04:46 PM

I agree with Spoofs idea. The biggest clutter on this board by far is the same questions that get asked over and over and over. A FAQ section could help if you could get anyone to look at it. lol

**COBALT** · 06-04-2002, 04:52 PM

Oh....whatever. Come on Spoof and Tom Hand! Those are just terrible ideas! Grow up you two...

J/K lol

Is that what it means to "get ugly"?

johnnyp · 06-04-2002, 04:53 PM

Hopefully, now that we have the search function working again, some of the "repeat" questions will go away, but a FAQ section would be good also.

DaveofTona · 06-04-2002, 04:58 PM

I agree with Brad. The board is constantly expanding, with more members and more posts daily. It definately helps to have some sort of filing system in place. The 67-72 "message" board already seems too general in it's coverage - how about dividing it into 67-72 "technical" and 67-72 "trucks/projects" for a start? It would be good if more more folks checked the non-year specific boards... the 67 message board gets an average of 7 replies per thread, but the engine/drivetrain board gets only 1 reply per thread. I think more people would use the non-year boards if the reply rate was higher.

tom hand · 06-04-2002, 05:49 PM

I truth it really doesn't matter what they do with the board now. It has so many new buttons and cool features it will be a long time before too many people notice whats getting posted. LOL

DennyB · 06-04-2002, 07:37 PM

I think what the administrators are doing is the correct thing.
With the huge amount of post that the 67-72 message board gets, topics get pushed off the page very quickly.
It takes allot of time to sift through it all.
For people who don't have hours at a time, several times a day to surf the board allot of the topics get buried and not seen.
It is in the boards best interest to spread post out in order to ease the navigation process. This way one can choose what they want to read about any given topic. MHO
Denny

70 Jimmy · 06-04-2002, 07:50 PM

I think we all need to look at the other boards more (me included). I don't spend enough time on the suspension board. I would like to a seperate board for Polls though!!LOL. I think that if you guys were administrators it would be just as good and just as bad. There are always several ways to do things and most of the time there is more than one right way.

bigjimzlll · 06-04-2002, 07:53 PM

OK...i find myself not posting...because im not sure where to post..and what exactly do you post on the general message board....board trips?....Polls on anything under the sun?..I used to be able to post any question with out fear of being chastised..my opinion is for the administrators to be more forgiving with the post....I used to look forward to reading post on engine questions or drive train on the main board...but now..all I get is an arrow saying moved

Jim
A financial contributer

*big71* · 06-04-2002, 08:07 PM

Iam staying out of it. Even know a lot of my post get move by the same one. I thank nobody likes me no more any way. Just because i post about my club. Why you think i started my club in the first place because of josh and this board i felt like i could do something to help my fellow trucker out by traying to give the a good club i dont run the club the members do i have 15 members right now and we all run it we get toghter and talk and have fun just like pigeon forge tenn man that was fun meeting the men on this board and so far i have not meet a bad person i love this place and i thank it could be grat if we just get along i Thank josh should start haveing a www.67-72chevytruck.com show held once a year and let all go and meet one and nother and just have good fellowship between us all god bless this board and me Yours Truly BIG 71

Rod · 06-04-2002, 08:28 PM

There is a tech articles page that lists topics that get asked over and over again... like a FAQ (frequently asked question)area.

If more board members would write article that they feel they answer over and over again, perhaps we can just link the new question to that page for the newbie.

There are only 4 articles on that page, and I wrote three of them 3 years ago.

Give it a go members, build a database of typically asked and answered question... submit them to Josh.... maybe have a few people go over it to find any flaws.

Here that page link to ferequently asked questions. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/tech/index.html
Lets build it up.
Rod

**68SWB4x4** · 06-04-2002, 08:38 PM

look at the VERY bottom of the board, there is a forum for FAQ SUBMISSIONS if any of you feel like writing a tech article, go there and post! or if anyone sees a real good thread that covers a topic very well..... email or PM me the link and i'll move it there (after its a few pages back of course!)
and when me, Les, TJ, Josh, Rod, Mongo or any of the admins move a topic it is NOOOOOOOOOOOOT personal, that has NOTHING to do with it

bobs409 · 06-05-2002, 07:55 AM

I've been coming here for quite some time now and have never even clicked on suspension, engine/drivetrain & paint/body.

I only go to the 67-72 board and occasionally general to share a joke.

Im not compalining because this is the best website on the net, bar none! If votes are being taken, I agree, go by the year.

06-04-2002, 09:58 AM	#1
johnnyp Keepin' It Stock Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Grand Island, Nebraska, USA Posts: 554	This could get ugly This will probably get moved to General Discussion but I'm posting it here because it affects the 67-72 board. What's with all the moving of posts? On the first page alone 7 posts have been moved from the 67-72 board to other boards. I can see moving posts if they have nothing to do with 67-72 model trucks (like do you wear boxers or briefs). But why move it just because it happens to be about paint, or suspension? I'm only interested in things that affect my model of truck. I don't want to have to search 5 different boards to find the info. And how do you decide when to move a post? If all the post about engines are move to the "ENGINE" board, we'd have a hard time telling what year's were talking about - 47-55?, 55-59?, 60-66?, or 67-72. Hey, it's not my board and you can manage it anyway you like, but my vote is to lump the boards by model years, not subject matter. __________________ 72 Sierra Grande - Maych Forget about "do it right the first time". Do it wrong the first time to learn how, then do it right the second time. Last edited by johnnyp; 06-04-2002 at 12:09 PM.

06-04-2002, 10:04 AM	#2
RodC Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Fairmont WV Posts: 304	Yep, a starter could fall on your face from any year. Most of these polls affect many years. This type of stuff is tough to call because a carb problem on an 72 can be the same as on a 73?! Its gona get ugly..... __________________ Rod Childers '71 C10 Stepside

06-04-2002, 10:22 AM	#3
tom hand CCRider Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Olive Branch,MS,USA Posts: 2,232	I agree there is too much moving going on. And with no real logic to it ethier. There are many posts that belong in General, if you want to get picky, but are left alone forever. Then there are post that get moved instantly. I like the idea of by the year and get rid of all the other stuff. If you put a post about a motor on Engine&Drivetrain it could be days before anybody responds,but if you put it on the message board the repounse will be almost instant. My 2 cents. __________________ 72 GMC Sierra SWB almost finished---- 84 Softail Olive Branch MS

06-04-2002, 10:55 AM	#4
junkyardjohn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SOMERSET KY. Posts: 6,427	99% OF THE POSTS ARE MOVED BY THE SAME ADMINISTATOR, WHILE SOME PEOPLES POST ARE LEFT STRICKTLY ALONE. WHATS UP WITH THAT ?????? __________________ junkyardjohn 69 1 TON TOW TRUCK // 84 4WD CUCV BLAZER// 85 1 TON 4WD STAKE TRUCK// 86 M1031 5/4 TON 4WD CUCV// ALOT OF OLD TRUCKS FOR ONE OLD MAN TO DRIVE. THERES ROOM FOR ALL OF GODS CREATURES RIGHT NEXT TO MY MASHED POTATOES// LIFE MEMBER OF P.E.T.A (PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS) DON'T RENT U-HAUL ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH IT WILL AMAZE PART OF THE PEOPLE & ASTONISH THE REST

06-04-2002, 01:06 PM	#5
Brad Out of the carpool lane. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Clark Co, WA Posts: 5,673	Seems to me the logic in making the move makes sense; it's like filing-for some people it's easy, for others it'll never make sense. I think the way it's done keeps the board more organized. Keep up the good work. __________________ 1968 C-10 SWB, 5.7 Vortec/700R4/3.73 posi, Torch Red 1968 Camaro, 250/Powerglide, all original (No, I'm not gonna drop a 350 in it!...Jeez!) 2000 Honda VFR in the faster yellow! 2008 Husqvarna TE-610 1967 C-10 SWB 'Six Appeal'-Gone but not forgotten...

06-04-2002, 01:44 PM	#6
68SWB4x4 Strongman Garage Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Salinas, CA Posts: 10,241	its to try to make it so people actually do use those boards, if i move a topic like that i ussaly will wait tell the question has been answered, if its something someone needs to know NOW ive been to alot of other boards that have a engine, suspension, etc..... board and they are used approritly and it works great, makes less clutter on the main board i dont see why you think this would get ugly though, your just making suggestions __________________ Kalle 68 GMC Suburban 1500 4x4 SOLD 69 Pontiac Lemans 99 Silverado 4.8 5 speed ECSB [ Facebook Instagram Subscribe on YOUTUBE

06-04-2002, 02:39 PM	#7
johnnyp Keepin' It Stock Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Grand Island, Nebraska, USA Posts: 554	I didn't mean ugly as in starting a fight. I meant ugly as in trying to decide which post goes to what boards. For instance, if a post talks about painting an engine, where would it go - engines or paint? __________________ 72 Sierra Grande - Maych Forget about "do it right the first time". Do it wrong the first time to learn how, then do it right the second time.

06-04-2002, 02:59 PM	#8
68SWB4x4 Strongman Garage Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Salinas, CA Posts: 10,241	ok, lol thats a good point, anthor thing i think we should do is move all the other forums to the top, and have 67-72 message and 67-72 parts below them, than all the other year boards that no one hardly uses at the bottom, i think that would help things out __________________ Kalle 68 GMC Suburban 1500 4x4 SOLD 69 Pontiac Lemans 99 Silverado 4.8 5 speed ECSB [ Facebook Instagram Subscribe on YOUTUBE

06-04-2002, 03:31 PM	#9
Maximum Overdrive December 21, 2012 Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Black Eagle, Montana Posts: 1,634	Well most posts about engines do not say what year the engine itself is anyway so that point is moot. As for painting an engine and determining what board it goes to only takes some comman sense. The question of painting an engine has nothing to do with the engine except that it is the item being painted, but is actually asking what type or kind of paint to use in that application. So the question is actually about paint and not the engine. __________________ *"!Ama Sua, Ama Kjella, Ama Lllulla!"*

06-04-2002, 03:46 PM	#10
COBALT Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 5,817	These are all good points so far, but I would like to remind you to look at this from the administrator's point of view (Josh, Mongo, 68 Stepside, etc....). Lets say we just made categories like we have now: Paint and Body Engine Suspension Driveline ...etc... ...and we put the years UNDER those, so there was a 47-55, 55-59, 60-66, 67-72, etc. under EACH category. Well, that would be ok for us members, but an administrative nightmare for the admins. 1/2 of the members on the board would have to volunteer to do some moderating on some of the categories. It would also be way harder to post because you'd have to navigate around all the time. There would be WAY too many directories to monitor. We can't very well leave things alone either, because the instinct of about 90% of the members is to jump right to the Message Board, and post whatever they want regardless of category. I'm sure Josh and others have statistics that show the amount of lazy posting by us has overwhelmed the number of archived posts in the Message Board directory, while others go unvisited. They're obviously trying to get people to post where things should be posted, but the topics that sort of fit between topics are hard to judge on, so I guess it depends on the individual Admin's judgement. I bet they're also trying to divide the workload so that 1 or 2 admins aren't trying to moderate 1000 posts, while others only have 10 or 20 to look at. It's a vicious circle. We don't visit the other categories because no one posts there, yet no one posts there because no one visits them. I for one think they're doing exactly what they should be doing. There are a couple of categories they could create to make the distinction easier to make (like "Carburetors", "Transmissions", "Differentials", "Welding" and "Electrical") but that's just my opinion. __________________ '69 3/4 ton C20 2wd-350ci/TH400 '69 3/4 ton Custom 20 2wd-350ci/4sp Manual '99 2wd 5.7 Chevy Tahoe Seattle, WA.

06-04-2002, 04:39 PM	#11
Spoof Registered User Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Victoria,BC, Canada Posts: 1,300	I don't think it will be a prob when people get used to the idea. It was different years ago when posts were a lot fewer but now organisation is a must to keep the clutter down. In fact there should be a board for questions asked over 100 times per year, eg. how do I remove the ignition bezel?, how do I drop my leaf suspension?, HEI conversion question, or my favourite, Starter problem...HELP! lol Leave the Admins to do what they think best is my opinion. __________________ 71 GMC 1500 LWB

06-04-2002, 04:46 PM	#12
tom hand CCRider Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Olive Branch,MS,USA Posts: 2,232	I agree with Spoofs idea. The biggest clutter on this board by far is the same questions that get asked over and over and over. A FAQ section could help if you could get anyone to look at it. lol __________________ 72 GMC Sierra SWB almost finished---- 84 Softail Olive Branch MS

06-04-2002, 04:52 PM	#13
COBALT Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 5,817	Oh....whatever. Come on Spoof and Tom Hand! Those are just terrible ideas! Grow up you two... J/K lol Is that what it means to "get ugly"? __________________ '69 3/4 ton C20 2wd-350ci/TH400 '69 3/4 ton Custom 20 2wd-350ci/4sp Manual '99 2wd 5.7 Chevy Tahoe Seattle, WA.

06-04-2002, 04:53 PM	#14
johnnyp Keepin' It Stock Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Grand Island, Nebraska, USA Posts: 554	Hopefully, now that we have the search function working again, some of the "repeat" questions will go away, but a FAQ section would be good also. __________________ 72 Sierra Grande - Maych Forget about "do it right the first time". Do it wrong the first time to learn how, then do it right the second time.

06-04-2002, 04:58 PM	#15
DaveofTona Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tonantzintla, Central Mexico Posts: 16	I agree with Brad. The board is constantly expanding, with more members and more posts daily. It definately helps to have some sort of filing system in place. The 67-72 "message" board already seems too general in it's coverage - how about dividing it into 67-72 "technical" and 67-72 "trucks/projects" for a start? It would be good if more more folks checked the non-year specific boards... the 67 message board gets an average of 7 replies per thread, but the engine/drivetrain board gets only 1 reply per thread. I think more people would use the non-year boards if the reply rate was higher. __________________ 1967 C10 short fleet 250t420 dgale@inaoep.mx Santa Maria Tonantzintla, Puebla Mexico



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06-04-2002, 05:49 PM	#16
tom hand CCRider Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Olive Branch,MS,USA Posts: 2,232	I truth it really doesn't matter what they do with the board now. It has so many new buttons and cool features it will be a long time before too many people notice whats getting posted. LOL __________________ 72 GMC Sierra SWB almost finished---- 84 Softail Olive Branch MS

06-04-2002, 07:37 PM	#17
DennyB Led Sled! Discs R 4 ME! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toms River, NJ, USA (Transplanted Hoosier) Posts: 7,327	I think what the administrators are doing is the correct thing. With the huge amount of post that the 67-72 message board gets, topics get pushed off the page very quickly. It takes allot of time to sift through it all. For people who don't have hours at a time, several times a day to surf the board allot of the topics get buried and not seen. It is in the boards best interest to spread post out in order to ease the navigation process. This way one can choose what they want to read about any given topic. MHO Denny __________________ "Never ride faster than your Angel can fly" I.M.O.M,W,J&C Patriot Guard Rider

06-04-2002, 07:50 PM	#18
70 Jimmy aka Crusher, Crushergmc Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,834	I think we all need to look at the other boards more (me included). I don't spend enough time on the suspension board. I would like to a seperate board for Polls though!!LOL. I think that if you guys were administrators it would be just as good and just as bad. There are always several ways to do things and most of the time there is more than one right way. __________________ "KEEP IT DOWN!" 70 Jimmy 454 2wd 56 GMC Big Window "It's funny till someone gets hurt, then it's freakin' hilarious"

06-04-2002, 07:53 PM	#19
bigjimzlll Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redding,CA...USA Posts: 4,736	OK...i find myself not posting...because im not sure where to post..and what exactly do you post on the general message board....board trips?....Polls on anything under the sun?..I used to be able to post any question with out fear of being chastised..my opinion is for the administrators to be more forgiving with the post....I used to look forward to reading post on engine questions or drive train on the main board...but now..all I get is an arrow saying moved Jim A financial contributer __________________ It's called "drag racing" if they called it "tic..tic..WHAM!..BANG! F*&K!!!", they'd have to keep the magazines under the counter with the other men's publications click the clicky to join the site.... http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/payments.php 67 lwb..first hotrod in 25 years..540 best ET is 9.45 @ 141.44 Anderson,CA

06-04-2002, 08:07 PM	#20
big71 Account Suspended Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: JONESVILL NC Posts: 1,303	Iam staying out of it. Even know a lot of my post get move by the same one. I thank nobody likes me no more any way. Just because i post about my club. Why you think i started my club in the first place because of josh and this board i felt like i could do something to help my fellow trucker out by traying to give the a good club i dont run the club the members do i have 15 members right now and we all run it we get toghter and talk and have fun just like pigeon forge tenn man that was fun meeting the men on this board and so far i have not meet a bad person i love this place and i thank it could be grat if we just get along i Thank josh should start haveing a www.67-72chevytruck.com show held once a year and let all go and meet one and nother and just have good fellowship between us all god bless this board and me Yours Truly BIG 71

06-04-2002, 08:28 PM	#21
Rod Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Eastern - Manitoba Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 4,369	There is a tech articles page that lists topics that get asked over and over again... like a FAQ (frequently asked question)area. If more board members would write article that they feel they answer over and over again, perhaps we can just link the new question to that page for the newbie. There are only 4 articles on that page, and I wrote three of them 3 years ago. Give it a go members, build a database of typically asked and answered question... submit them to Josh.... maybe have a few people go over it to find any flaws. Here that page link to ferequently asked questions. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/tech/index.html Lets build it up. Rod __________________ Senior active founding member. 70 3/4 ton GMC Suburban 4x4 250/4 spd. 71 1/2 ton Suburban Chevy 4x4, 350/350 72 Chev 1 ton tow truck 402BB w/Holmes 440 wrecker on propane 2005 FLSTSCI Harley Springer 85 FXSB Harley Lowrider 72 Triumph 650 Bonneville 5spd "Poor people don't have hobbies" Quote from wife.

06-04-2002, 08:38 PM	#22
68SWB4x4 Strongman Garage Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Salinas, CA Posts: 10,241	look at the VERY bottom of the board, there is a forum for FAQ SUBMISSIONS if any of you feel like writing a tech article, go there and post! or if anyone sees a real good thread that covers a topic very well..... email or PM me the link and i'll move it there (after its a few pages back of course!) and when me, Les, TJ, Josh, Rod, Mongo or any of the admins move a topic it is NOOOOOOOOOOOOT personal, that has NOTHING to do with it __________________ Kalle 68 GMC Suburban 1500 4x4 SOLD 69 Pontiac Lemans 99 Silverado 4.8 5 speed ECSB [ Facebook Instagram Subscribe on YOUTUBE

06-05-2002, 07:55 AM	#23
bobs409 1969 Custom 30 wrecker Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Pottsville, Pa Posts: 2,611	I've been coming here for quite some time now and have never even clicked on suspension, engine/drivetrain & paint/body. I only go to the 67-72 board and occasionally general to share a joke. Im not compalining because this is the best website on the net, bar none! If votes are being taken, I agree, go by the year. __________________ Bob 63 Impala 283/PG/3.36 (under restoration) 66 Impala 327/PG/3.36 66 Chevelle SS 409/M22/3.55 69 Chevelle 307/PG/3.08 (future restoration) 69 C10 short stepside 454/TH350/3.73 69 Custom 30 tow truck 350/4 spd/4.10 (resto done, CRUISIN TIME!) 71 Cheyenne 20 fleetside 350/4 spd/4.10 71 Chevelle 6/PG/3.08 72 Chevelle 454/M21/4.10

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